First of all congratulations with your succes, and not take away from that. But IF nor fasting is a silver bullet.
Reducing food intake, and insuline while keeping hunger down is.
Important aspect is keeping hunger down. And if your fasting/excersicsing you can experience the same.
The discussion on weight unfortunately almost always focused on total weight.
But we would like to retain our muscles, and reduce adipose tissue(fat).
With gpl1 people are able to fast, stop snacking and reduce food intake because hunger signals are blocked.
But a fasting lifestyle, which goes further then just IF. And a focus on nutrition(vitamins, minerals, quality sources) could the same.
Furthermore the effects of lowering inflammation of gpl1 is only logical reduction in food intake/fasting will lead to autophagy.
IF/Fasting and other new nutritional paradigms are still new and uncharted. It's not clear yet what the full effects are, and how to implement them correctly.
Yeah, but at the end of the day, it either works, or it doesn't. You can say "you're holding it wrong" all you want, but if it's easy to hold the thing wrong, it's the thing's fault.
GLP-1s work for many more people than any other diet advice we've ever had.
I dont think this is an either or situation. People still need tools in their toolbox if they dont want to be be on a biologic for the rest of their lives.
So in that aspect we agree completely. A few years ago people would call you mad for fasting, and now we have drug that allows people to life the fasting lifestyle.
And if there is a medical reason I'm not making the argument against. I'm making the argument that it's a intervention and that healyhy nutrition, healthy relationship with food will is the long-term solution.
And order todo that we would need to explore other nutritional paradigms than the current one.
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- Fasting lifestyle, like omad(eat once a day) removes the feeling of hunger and thoughts about food, until it's the moment to eat.
> So in that aspect we agree completely. A few years ago people would call you mad for fasting, and now we have drug that allows people to life the fasting lifestyle.
It's nothing like the fasting lifestyle, it just quiets the food noise.
> I'm making the argument that it's a intervention and that healyhy nutrition, healthy relationship with food will is the long-term solution.
That's like saying "I'm making the argument that diabetes medication is an intervention, and that producing healthy amounts of insulin is the long-term solution". Yeah, it's all well and good, except it doesn't work.
You can yell at people for not <insert favorite reason here>, but, at the end of the day, people have tried diet, they've struggled with it, and it's failed. No matter how much yelling you do, they won't stop. It's like trying to talk a meth addict out of their addiction.
Doctors have long said, "Diet and Exercise", but they couldn't really address the pain aspect of hunger until the last few years.
And hunger is painful.
Hunger is something that is left to the patient to cope with -- usually badly. Sure there could be support groups and exercise groups, but nobody is going to be there in your bed when you're trying to fall asleep with hunger pains.
This thread is kind of painful because it's full of people who have no problem with their weight telling others to "just don't have a problem too!".
I don't eat because I'm hungry. I eat because food is there, or because I remembered that food exists, or because I have nothing better to do, or because stuff tastes good. I can't remember the last time I was hungry.
The weird thing is I can go a really long time without food. I can go 36 hours easily without eating something, hunger doesn't bother me at all. After 36 hours, I think "huh, I should probably eat something".
Such situations where I forget to eat are really, really, really rare. I have to basically be on my own and working on something fun, because that's when I both don't have food in the house and don't want to spend the two minutes it takes to order something.
Kids who went hungry at school had behavioral problems, and couldn't focus on schoolwork. The solution was to give the kids breakfast, not to tell them to cope with hunger until they got home.
Reducing food intake, and insuline while keeping hunger down is.
Important aspect is keeping hunger down. And if your fasting/excersicsing you can experience the same.
The discussion on weight unfortunately almost always focused on total weight.
But we would like to retain our muscles, and reduce adipose tissue(fat).
With gpl1 people are able to fast, stop snacking and reduce food intake because hunger signals are blocked.
But a fasting lifestyle, which goes further then just IF. And a focus on nutrition(vitamins, minerals, quality sources) could the same.
Furthermore the effects of lowering inflammation of gpl1 is only logical reduction in food intake/fasting will lead to autophagy.
IF/Fasting and other new nutritional paradigms are still new and uncharted. It's not clear yet what the full effects are, and how to implement them correctly.