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That philosophers talk about p-zombies seems like evidence to me that at least some of them don't believe that consciousness needs to have observable effects that can't be explained without consciousness. I don't say that I believe that too. I don't believe that there is anything particularly special about brains.


The p-zombie argument is the best-known of a group of conceivability arguments, which ultimately depend on the notion that if a proposition is conceivably true, then there is a metaphysically possible world in which it is true. Skeptics suppose that this is just a complicated way of equivocating over what 'conceivable' means, and even David Chalmers, the philosopher who has done the most to bring the p-zombie argument to wide attention, acknowledges that it depends on the assumption of what he calls 'perfect conceivability', which is tantamount to irrefutable knowledge.

To deal with the awkwardly apparent fact that consciousness certainly seems to have physical effects, zombiephiles challenge the notion that physics is causally closed, so that it is conceivable that something non-physical can cause physical effects. Their approach is to say that the causal closure of physics is not provable, but at this point, the argument has become a lexicographical one, about the definition of the words 'physics' and 'physical' (if one insists that 'physical' does not refer to a causally-closed concept, then we still need a word for the causal closure within which the physical is embedded - but that's just what a lot of people take 'physical' to mean in the first place.) None of the anti-physicalists have been able, so far, to shed any light on how the mind is causally effective in the physical world.

You might be interested in the late Daniel Dennett's "The Unimagined Preposterousness of Zombies": https://dl.tufts.edu/concern/pdfs/6m312182x


Like what is magic - it turns out to be the ability to go from interior thoughts to stuff happening in the shared world - physics is just the mechanism of the particular magical system we have.


If brain isn't more special than Chinese room, then brain understands Chinese no better than Chinese room?


The brain is faster than the Chinese room, but other than that, yes, that's the so-called systems reply; Searle's response to it (have the person in the room memorize the instruction book) is beside the point, as you can teach people to perform all sorts of algorithms without them needing to understand the result.

As many people have pointed out, Searle's argument begs the question by tacitly assuming that if anything about the room understands Chinese, it can only be the person within it.




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