> What you are saying, is that people are unable to exercise enough self-control to actually consume less calories. If they did, it would work. But they don't.
That is not what I'm saying. It seems like you stopped reading at "doesn't work" when what I said was "doesn't work for most humans".
For many people, it feels impossible, so they give up. Why are you advocating for doing something hard, instead of doing something easy, there are definitely other reasons you might want to argue for that. But you didn't argue any of them. You parroted the exact same thing again, trying to get your point across, while ignoring mine.
> CICO absolutely works. Like most things worth doing in life, it's hard. And it's worth it.
Why stubbornly refuse to entertain the idea it's too hard for many people? Because it's does work, so everyone who's life or health isn't in the state where they can do the thing you admit is hard can just get fucked?
Nah, fuck that! If there's anything you can do, that will improve your quality of life, you should do that. If you can get into a more healthy physical shape in 1 year instead of 5. You should!
I'm an advocate of doing things the hard way. I'm even the same type that mocks people who claim cpointers are impossible. But I'm also the type who will take as long as it takes to teach someone how to understand and use them. And if all you want is to make a fun jumping game. I'll suggest trying python. and won't demand you write everything in c including your own input lib, even though that's what I would do just for fun.
You should do things the hard way. Because it will make you stronger. But for so many people who have been beaten down, they believe it's impossible; so demanding they're only allowed to achieved success exclusively by doing it the hardest way, is fucked up.
The options aren't the hard way, or nothing. But by repeating CICO over and over without nuance, that's the message you're sending. Do it the hard way, or give up.
Nah, fuck that. Try the hard way, then try something else, then try something else. Then keep trying until you improve your life. Then do it all over again with something else you want to improve.
Please don't cross into flamewar like this and please don't get into tit-for-tat spats. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
When people start arguing over who said what, who did what to the discussion, and get increasingly personal about it, it was time to stop quite a while ago.
I feel this is an unfair characterization. Which part of my response crossed into flamewar territory? Or is this preemptive because the discussion is trending in that direction?
bah! :( I don't understand how I'm supposed to call attention to the parts of my previous comments that were important to being understood, but disregarded in the reply if that is what was wholly inappropriate. Other than to not reply at all when previous comments are misunderstood or ignored.
Not replying is usually the strongest rhetorical move, for what it's worth. Long threads implicitly elevate the other side of the argument. If you're trying to dispositively conclude a debate, make your case once, dispassionately, and then don't restate anything you've already said.
What you're trying to say is "it works, it's just very hard for less than half of all people." (43% of all humans were overweight in 2022) [1]
> For many people, it feels impossible, so they give up.
Yes, I agree completely. If they stuck with it, CICO would work, but they don't because it's hard for them.
> Why are you advocating for doing something hard, instead of doing something easy
Now you're derailing the discussion into something entirely else. This thread is about if CICO works or not. I understand there are a lot of emotions wrapped up here, but you know that it works, it's just hard for some people.
At NO point did I say people should do something hard instead of something easy. I was making it clear that CICO does it fact work (and is hard).
Please don't cross into flamewar like this and please don't get into tit-for-tat spats. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
When people start arguing over who said what, who did what to the discussion, and get increasingly personal about it, it was time to stop quite a while ago.
That is not what I'm saying. It seems like you stopped reading at "doesn't work" when what I said was "doesn't work for most humans".
For many people, it feels impossible, so they give up. Why are you advocating for doing something hard, instead of doing something easy, there are definitely other reasons you might want to argue for that. But you didn't argue any of them. You parroted the exact same thing again, trying to get your point across, while ignoring mine.
> CICO absolutely works. Like most things worth doing in life, it's hard. And it's worth it.
Why stubbornly refuse to entertain the idea it's too hard for many people? Because it's does work, so everyone who's life or health isn't in the state where they can do the thing you admit is hard can just get fucked?
Nah, fuck that! If there's anything you can do, that will improve your quality of life, you should do that. If you can get into a more healthy physical shape in 1 year instead of 5. You should!
I'm an advocate of doing things the hard way. I'm even the same type that mocks people who claim cpointers are impossible. But I'm also the type who will take as long as it takes to teach someone how to understand and use them. And if all you want is to make a fun jumping game. I'll suggest trying python. and won't demand you write everything in c including your own input lib, even though that's what I would do just for fun.
You should do things the hard way. Because it will make you stronger. But for so many people who have been beaten down, they believe it's impossible; so demanding they're only allowed to achieved success exclusively by doing it the hardest way, is fucked up.
The options aren't the hard way, or nothing. But by repeating CICO over and over without nuance, that's the message you're sending. Do it the hard way, or give up.
Nah, fuck that. Try the hard way, then try something else, then try something else. Then keep trying until you improve your life. Then do it all over again with something else you want to improve.