Do we really have enough information about their daily habits, food availability, ability to survive, etc. from those times? Once you go before easy refrigeration and distribution, you get people dying from famine in bad years. It's going be to be hard to make any actionable lessons from those times that still apply now.
> James Nye, for example, was one of a family of eleven children raised in rural Sussex in the 1820s and recalled how the ‘the young ones’ in his family went ‘very short of food’. Despite his mother’s best efforts, he rarely had more than ‘half a bellyful’ at mealtimes, and ate scarcely anything other than bread.
> Following the harvest failures of 1816, for example, John Lincoln’s entire family was forced to undergo severe privations. His two children succumbed to disease very easily — their quick deaths from measles were likely owing in part to prior malnourishment.
>Whatever, set the clock to the 1820s. Or the 1400s. Or the 1200s. Or the 1990's or 200 BCE, I don't care.
I think they may have taken your prompt and thought about the 1820s, 1400s, 1200s or 200 BCE. Did you mean to direct people to discuss the 1990s by listing the other 4 eras?
I mean to say Homo sapiens has existed for 300,000 years. They have not been 70%+ overweight or obese for most of those years. All the way until the 90s, obesity rates have been WAY lower, even in food-abundant societies.
What is your point? I mentioned drug availability in the 1950s and you dismissed it with an arbitrary list of other time periods. Someone else mentioned food scarcity in a period you mentioned, and you shifted the discussion to the 1990s (and now the past 300,000 years ???).
It seems like you do not want to discuss any factors relating to obesity in history at all, yet you keep engaging in this topic anyway. It is impossible to have a conversation where one side discusses facts like drug availability or food scarcity and the other says “no think about something else” as a canned response.
What do you think is the cause of the increased level of obesity? What do you think is the solution, if any?
My point is that people's health has been rapidly deteriorating over the last 30-50 years especially. Your attempted explanation is essentially, "in every prior period, there was a different period-specific thing that was preventing these health outcomes."
It seems far, far more likely to me that right now is the aberration – in fact we know today is aberrant on several dimensions that are presumably related to obesity, so that's where we should look.
Big, system-wide changes like what we're experiencing are almost always both multicausal and overdetermined.
The causes here are:
1. Production of cheap, extremely palatable, ultra-high caloric density foods (mitigable). Note: This is not the same thing as saying "people used to be thin because they were starving." It is absolutely possible to feed a country amply and not yield the low price/great taste/horrible nutrition profile that dominates the American diet today.
2. Increase in sedentary time due to shift from physically intensive professions (not very solvable), car-centric urban planning (solvable), and the dominance of ass-in-chair leisure activities (probably mitigable)
3. The science is early on this but there's good reason to look further into endocrine-disruptive chemical poisoning (mitigable). We are finding these compounds absolutely everywhere we look and we should be very open to the possibility we are mass-poisoning people and damaging their metabolism: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10003192/
>Whatever, set the clock to the 1820s. Or the 1400s. Or the 1200s. Or the 1990's or 200 BCE, I don't care.
I think they may have taken your prompt and thought about the 1820s, 1400s, 1200s or 200 BCE. Did you mean to direct people to discuss the 1990s by listing the other 4 eras?
Amphetamine(which is what benzedrine was) is pretty overrated as a weight loss drug in the general population. It causes a short window of reduced appetite and probably increased catabolism(due to increased heart rate) which peters out after a couple weeks on the same dose. That leads to a short period of rapid weight loss that pretty much grinds to a complete halt, after which regaining the lost weight is quite typical.
On the other hand, if like me, you have ADHD and weight issues, it could be more helpful. Because it could treat your ADHD enough to help you actually establish and follow a structured diet and exercise regime. Especially if your ADHD includes impulsivity. The last time I was on lisdex treatment, I lost about 5kg from the initial boost, a lot of it was probably water weight. Then I managed to cut about 30kg later with calorie counting and regular cardio.
So the physical effects themselves are largely a pisstake.
People in the 50s (in the US) had, among other things, fistfuls of benzedrine.
Edit: here is a link for the skeptical folks https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/speedy-history-americ...