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TBH, I'm surprised they had almost 2000. I would've thought they'd be around the 500 mark.


As of today we are 1,733. But that may go up soon, we are hiring aggressively to fill roles of some people who left and meet increased customer demand! https://automattic.com/work-with-us/


What percent of the WordPress team took the offer? ~126 departures were from WordPress, out of how many total?


From the first sentence of the article: 8.4%

So, roughly 2,000 employees?

Original post: https://ma.tt/2024/10/alignment/

Edit: I stand corrected. OP is asking how many employees are in the WordPress "division", which I cannot find a public source for and is kind of hard to tally.

Matt said yesterday[1] that ~100 employees work on wordpress.org, one chunk of what encompasses the WordPress "division".

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41726197#41726796


>8.4% of the company,

The person you are replying to is asking what percentage of the WordPress division, not the company-wide percent.


there's another comment above from someone who appears to work there, stating approx 80% of total staff work on WP and 20% on the other properties, so the percentage seems inline across the company & "divisions"


Seems rather desperate, please give this whole situation a once-over Matt


The handling of this is so bizarre it makes me want to sympathize with Matt (even though some of the information against him seems pretty damning), grab him by the shoulders and yell "please, for your sake, get offline, listen to your lawyers - this can't be healthy".

Matt, please, I know you're not going to listen to some random stranger, but maybe think about distancing yourself from this and getting some perspective from people that aren't as emotionally invested in this and listen to people like your lawyers, pr people, other senior management, etc.


Maybe that's why they are hiring an "Associate General Counsel"?


That’s really not the right way to hire a lawyer you need right now.

Probably not the right way to hire a lawyer at all, frankly.

How does he expect a junior attorney to help him at all, especially one who is depending on him for his paycheck?


There's nothing to indicate that they're hiring a lawyer to deal with this situation. That was just speculation on the part of the parent comment. They probably just need to fill a vacancy in their legal division.


The job specifically asks for a JD with 8+ years of experience. The position will lead corporate, securities and governance work. This is not a junior attorney.

Here’s the job ad:

https://automattic.com/work-with-us/job/associate-general-co...


Thanks, I was going off the description from the parent poster. My bad!


> That’s really not the right way to hire a lawyer you need right now.

> Probably not the right way to hire a lawyer at all, frankly.

> How does he expect a junior attorney to help him at all, especially one who is depending on him for his paycheck?

Most large companies outsource the bigger stuff and anything non day-to-day (like trademark enforcement and litigation) to law firms.


Yup, that’s what I was referring to - but they’re already doing a lot of weird stuff, so hiring someone internally to handle litigation (or similar) would be the kind of dumb I would expect.


And, while I'm not invested in this in any aspect, I feel: About time! I appreciate an executive with the passion/guts/ignorance to push a direction that's controversial and not safe. I'm really sick of working for companies that have no opinion or passion, and do a bunch of boring things.

Where's today's DHH, Jason Fried or Joel Spolsky?


> meet increased customer demand!

I mean, you are attempting to destroy your competitors.


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It's early afternoon for me, I'm in South Africa right now. https://x.com/photomatt/status/1842048123541061859

Please don't make assumptions on time zones, it's rude.

Also, I am very much listening to the advice from my friends and lawyers, and even some random internet strangers. Happy to change my mind if presented with new information.


One of the HN rules is to assume good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I support your approach here Matt. I have used WordPress forever and greatly appreciate the software.


I guess you don't host it or program for it...


I run a digital agency with hundreds of employees and thousands of clients and tens of thousands of WordPress sites we host.


While I don't deny CMSs has been a big part of my money income for decades, and CMS are a great entry both for designers, developers and business, Wordpress is probably the most horrible one. His popularity IMHO is just a matter of timing and good usability (which I won't deny), but not is not backed by a good code design and implementation behind.

Drupal or even PHP Nuke was much better designed. I.e: Wp calls every published object post as it was designed as blog for posting.

Almost all CMS provide class oriented architecture, object caching, multilanguage, clean separation between base code, customer code and customer data, safe defaults (like all forms for commenting enabled),...


They made several acquisitions that have nothing to do with WP which probably inflated the headcount a good bit.

For example they own Pocket Casts, a podcast application on Android (bought from NPR - I really wish NPR had decided to keep it, I feel like they would have been much better stewards).




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