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isn't this exactly the point?

from the viewpoint you've presented it's a bad idea to volunteer for basically anything.

even something like enlisting in a nation's armed forces is a bad idea since the risk is so high vs the monetary reward, and the only way people would become soldiers is to join mercenary armies where there is a price exacted that matches the performance.

for many people, they value the intangible more than the money.



Okay, I think appreciate your perspective and that of some others here more. If you all think it's a good use of your time, go ahead. Personally, I have more pressing concerns. And for what it's worth, (and I know this won't be popular here) the entire patent troll narrative is overblown, which seems to be the consensus opinion of people working in patent law. For example, see this blog post:

https://ipwatchdog.com/2017/06/22/myths-patent-trolls-preven...

Given that I think the narrative is overblown, I don't really see this as a "public service". It's a problem, sure, but it's not a major one.


My first startup had 3 different firms with no real product try to shake us down using patents with obvious prior art at different times. It was a major distraction and costly in resources when we had limited capital.

We did manage to convince them all to go away, but it might have been cheaper to just pay them off. I'm guessing that all they really wanted was a long list of capitulations and licensees before litigating against the big guys.

I'm not surprised that the IPR industry which thrives upon resulting legal fees is less inclined to view things as trolling and any trolling that happens to be not too severe, though. ;)


Sorry to hear about your experience.

To reply to you and some others:

I'm not saying that patent trolling is not a problem. My point is that it's not as big a problem as commonly believed (in terms of total monetary losses over the US). The real problem is poor patent quality, which goes beyond patent trolling but does allow trolls to exist in the first place. For those who want to do a public service, address poor patent quality as it's the root cause.


> And for what it's worth, (and I know this won't be popular here) the entire patent troll narrative is overblown, which seems to be the consensus opinion of people working in patent law.

"People working in patent law" have a conflict of interest. The arguments being made in that link are practically in bad faith, e.g.:

> Google and Uber are locked in a patent battle over self-driving automobiles, so does that make Google and Uber patent trolls?

The ordinary definition of a patent troll is a firm that sues for patent infringement as its primary business. Say what you will about Google and Uber, they clearly derive the bulk of their revenue from offering products and services to the public.

> As we consider all of this it is also important to keep in mind that the U.S. tech sector spending on patent trolls is less than 1% of all IT spending.

If you compare a smaller number to a bigger number, the bigger number is bigger. But the thing that matters isn't the size of the problem relative to the size of the industry, it's whether the shakedowns are net positive or net negative.

For software patents in particular, it's the latter, because software is inherently and purposely abstract. Which is incompatible with the reasonable operation of the patent system, because it makes the two viable strategies to patent the abstraction or to patent some specific implementation which is required for compatibility, so that alternate implementations can't be used without disrupting interoperability. Otherwise the number of alternate software implementations of any given abstraction are so large that nobody would purposely use somebody else's software patent, they'd just create their own non-infringing implementation of the same abstraction.

But patenting the abstraction itself is not supposed to be allowed (even though these patents are all too often granted) and using a patent for the purposes of preventing interoperability should be an antitrust violation for the same reason as tying is illegal even when the original monopoly was lawfully obtained, because the value you're extracting isn't the value of the invention, it's the value of compatibility with the existing system. And then there's nothing of merit left.


You do? You’ve spent more time here commenting than some of the people who got paid under Project Jengo. #odd


You're right. I do think arguing with people on the internet was a bad way to spend my day off.


You apparently have difficulty understanding that other people have different experiences and priorities from you. This shows up in every aspect of your argument here.


I think the severity of this problem depends on context. I can share that as a small startup we had a patent troll come after us and it was almost fatal because it shattered our fund raising process.

We prevailed and lived to fight another day but that was an incredibly unproductive and stressful time.

So I see this differently as do the many team members who kept their jobs and made good money when we were acquired.


Wow, that is an awful article. Straw-manning everyone who wants patent reform as "those who prefer to take technologies they did not innovate rather than pay a reasonable royalty to innovators." Multiple paragraphs devoted to tearing down the straw-man argument "every company that tries to enforce its patents is a patent troll" -- which nobody is claiming. An insane argument about how "America's technology companies" are hypocritical because both the trolls and the ones complaining about trolls are technology companies -- so what? That's like when people claim "Reddit" is hypocritical. They're different people!

That author is barely even trying to hide his extreme slant, and you posting an obviously extremely biased article as some sort of evidence dramatically undermines your opinion on the topic and frankly calls into question the limits of "assume good faith".




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