By definition there’s a difference, but realistically most refugees are lying migrants, claiming refugee status when in fact they are not in real danger and just want the economic benefits.
The economic benefits of… having a couple of months of mandatory unemployment while the asylum application is processed? Followed by the same stuff you'd have to do if you hadn't done that?
The asylum process doesn't give you a significantly better foundation than if you had applied for work before moving, it's just a delay that may also get you rejected. It's like getting free meals from your hospital by pretending to be ill.
Och det förutsatt att du pratar svenska eller har ett yrke där du klarar dig utan. AI-översättning (så här) kommer inte att klippa det.
(Sechs Jahre nach meiner Ankunft in Berlin, und meine Deutschkenntnisse bleibt nur 'okay')
As little as possible might be more than they could get elsewhere. Plus if you don't have a tax ID you don't pay taxes.
Additionally they could be working in the gig economy. I swear I have never had a delivery from uber eats where the person doing the delivery was the same as the photo on the app. What's happening there is they are renting the account for the day.
Don't get me wrong these people are being exploited, but they could be making more than if they were home.
Even if someone is trying to game the system from a better position such as fleeing Ukraine, they're going to face competition from people *that poor*, who are otherwise in the same position.
Crucially, this is bellow the 24200 SEK (2.133,15 Euro) tax-free allowance where they wouldn't pay tax anyway.
> Don't get me wrong these people are being exploited, but they could be making more than if they were home.
Are you sure those people aren't trafficked, rather than in your country voluntarily? Such exploitation is also a problem, but I'd say a different one.
> Are you sure those people aren't trafficked, rather than in your country voluntarily? Such exploitation is also a problem, but I'd say a different one.
Weird switch: First you're saying "these poor bastards probably don't get paid much at all", and now it's "This might be so lucrative that it's profitable to traffic people to do it" -- how does that add up? Would you make a business of importing, say, Syrians or Pakistanis to Sweden, where they'll get social security in their own name, and can therefore easily get away from you and live on that?
Sure, many of them "have been traficked" in the sense that they've paid (what was at least to them) a fortune to be smuggled into Western European countries or at least up to their borders (for varying definitions thereof; like, say, the British border being in a camp on the French coast). But that's "traficking" in the sense of "price-gouging on travel tickets", not "being sold into slavery". People who pay a lot to get somewhere are pretty much by definition there voluntarily, aren't they?
One group of people that is apparently trafficked in the other sense are Roma (and probably Sinti, for all I know) from Eastern Europe, above all Romania, who are kept in ramshackle camps on the outskirts of cities and towns and set to begging more centrally all day long. But AFAIK they don't have any residential permits at all, neither permanent nor temporary. They're in the country not as refugees or any other kind of migrants, but under the Schengen open-travel rules, basically as tourists. If they get in trouble with the authorities they're often just rotated out for a while and then shipped in again. But not being official residents of the country they're not (AIUI) eligible for this migrant-go-home bonus, so irrelevant to this discussion.
> This might be so lucrative that it's profitable to traffic people to do it
Economics shift hugely if someone has to live 12 to a room and eat whatever they're given without caring about food poisoning etc.
> where they'll get social security in their own name, and can therefore easily get away from you and live on that?
That's presuming they are on the system. An actual asylum seeker is, a trafficked person probably isn't. And I may be willing and able to walk away, but I've not been moved to a mystery city without even knowing the language and where the only peers are in the same position as me.
That's where I think the problem is, not people who paid a lot for a ticket, which I don't count as "trafficked" but rather "scammed".
The largest of those numbers is €6.28/day, which may seem like a lot if you're coming from Syria, unless you look at the food prices. And if you're in a place with free food, the max is €2.12/day.
Low enough that Ukraine and Kenya look like economic powerhouses.
If you're from south (or east) of the Mediterranean and want easy money, there are many many easier and better ways to do so than travelling across half the continental EU to end up in one of the colder bits.
