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Executives work insane hours. The jobs are there if you want to gun for them. Yes there are lazy executives, but successful companies focused on shareholder value tend to weed them out.


> Executives work insane hours.

Often quite a bit less than it looks on-paper when you remove the "working lunch" and "client dinner" and "meeting (at the country club)" and "reading emails while lounging on the private jet" bits.


The amount of executives that play golf and include golf as working meetings blows this argument out of the sand trap.


The amount of golf that are work meeting blows this argument out of the sand trap.


Hypothetically, if all the CEO did was, once a quarter, take a private jet to meet a potential client in person for lunch - and just one of those 4 meetings actually landed a customer - but a $1 billion revenue customer - is that a problem for you? CEOs shouldn't be measured by hours clocked in, like a factory worker.


You're absolutely right. CEOs (and other execs) need measurable workload, just like the rest of their staff. If you're not measuring it, is the CEO landing deals, or are they just playing golf with other members of the managerial class? The inquiring mind wants to know.


Get over it. Until you earn yourself a seat on the board, your inquiring mind will likely remain inquiring. Not sure why you expect that the CEO needs to justify his/her schedule to rank-and-file employees.


This whole discussion is about double standards.

Hypothetically, if all a programmer did was, once a quarter, come in in person to maintain some piece of software that created $300k of value per year for the company, is that a problem for you?


Plenty of companies have consultants on call to do exactly that.

Unsolicited career advice: cultivating a reputation and a network within your industry, such that you're the one regularly receiving those calls, can be highly lucrative - look into it


It’s a hypothetical- so no, of course not.

I will ask: why is it your CEO doing this, not your sales team?

And if your CEO is doing only 4 meetings a year, why can’t they do more ?

If you have a billion dollars in revenue per client, how many potential clients can you have ?

Won’t they run out of work in a few years?

At that point what value does the CEO add ? Will they still be going on trips for meetings which will never result in billion dollar revenues ?

I get the spirit of your point. To use it further, to understand it, we should scrutinize even the CEO role.

Assuming im a shareholder, why should we ‘subsidize’ a useless CEO at any point ?

The CEO is also an employee in the end.


The CEO does it because he's the equal of the other CEO. It shows respect. In huge deals between mega-corps, the sales team has already pitched - likely a lengthy, multi-faceted process over the course of a few months - and the CEO-to-CEO meeting is the final step to close the deal.

I'm sorry but this concept should be immediately clear, if not, you really shouldn't be discussing what a CEO should or shouldn't be doing with his time.


I’ll address the argument, before I address the dismissal.

This additional information added narrows the options.

As stated, the CEO is simply a source of prestige, who satisfies the other party’s ego.

None of this, information changes my questions or makes them irrelevant.

If anything, it is clear that the CEO is completely fungible. They are only needed 4 times a year, to satisfy the ego of 4 potential revenue sources.

The core ‘work’ is done by the rest of the firm.

That means, of the 1 bn dollars in revenue that you ascribed to the CEO, they represent a very small part of the actual effort.

What shareholder value do they bring the rest of the year?

In essence - CEO positions are not immune to economic logic. They, like the firm, work for shareholders.

Based on the added data, it would seem that there is reason to take umbrage with CEO privileges - such as their ability to work remotely.

After all, if they are doing nothing the rest of the year, they can be paid less for it.

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For me, communication is at its core, problem solving.

Stating that someone shouldn’t problem solve, while being oblivious to your own thin hypothetical, is perilously close to ignorance and close mindedness.

It is a certainly a form of gatekeeping, and blindness to one’s own biases.

Why not check our assumptions? They are obvious to you, but

1) Will anyone else come up with those same assumptions given a short 1 para of text?

2) How do yours assumption hold up to scrutiny unless they are exposed and discussed?

TLDR: Providing a hypothetical isn’t a full stop in a discussion. It’s the opposite.


Most of the people on this site are not measured like that either; they're salaried employees. Nobody here is falsely claiming they work insane hours when they're spending all their time on recreation though.


What you don't seem to comprehend is that to a CEO, golf (or dinners with clients, etc) is business, not recreation.


What you don't seem to comprehend is that to a CEO; when their employees play golf or go to dinners with clients, etc it is recreation, not business.


All of that is work!


Think next year’s performance review would agree if I decide to have all my stand ups from the golf course?




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