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The internet you are using right now was created by public funds.

Compilers, which you work with your whole life, came from research done by public funds.

Most medical research has been done with public funds.

Radios, modems, every single piece of networking we currently use was first researched by public funds.

We can keep cherry-picking examples if you wish go down this road, it doesn't foster much of a deeper discussion though if you are going to keep your dogma.

Public funding is necessary, private funding is necessary, what kind of system we can create that enables the best out of both worlds to evolve and be better? That's a discussion I'd like to see, this end of history bullshit is too boring, and tiring to discuss.

Capitalism as it is has empirically shown it's not the best system humanity should rely on, it has its advantages, it has major flaws, admitting that is a pretty good first step into trying to look what's next, how do we go from here. It's destructive, it's inhumane, it's simplistic, it will become a relic just like any other system that came before.

Being dogmatic about it doesn't take us anywhere, it just conserves a status quo which is not the best we can achieve.

As usual, I think you are a bright person, Walter, you've done tons and achieved a lot more than most, but keeping this dogmatic narrow-view of the world certainly pains me, exactly because you are the kind of mind that should be able to see through the bullshit...



The internet is not even remotely the first network. See "The Victorian Internet" by Standage https://www.amazon.com/Victorian-Internet-Remarkable-Ninetee...

It was an incremental step, followed by other incremental steps. There have also been many, many internets along the way: AOL, Prodigy, BYTEnet, MCI, Gopher, RBBS, etc. Every organization that had more than one computer soon figured out how to connect them. Even I did that.

BTW, Ethernet was invented by Xerox. I use it every day.

Compilers appeared shortly after computers that were capable enough to run them appeared. This suggests an inevitability, not a discontinuous invention. Jet engines were a discontinuity, too.

What I see is that if invention X is derived from inventions A,B,C,D,E,F, and D was funded by the government, the government gets all the credit.

> Capitalism as it is has empirically shown it's not the best system humanity should rely on,

How has that been shown?

> it has its advantages, it has major flaws, admitting that is a pretty good first step into trying to look what's next, how do we go from here. It's destructive, it's inhumane, it's simplistic, it will become a relic just like any other system that came before.

Show an example of any system working better.

Free markets are a chaotic system of creative destruction. There have been endless attempts at "fixing" that. None have worked better.


I think the problem is that nothing has been shown to be better, but so many people can feel their whole lives that there must be something better.

I tend to take a step back and keep in mind that Free Enterprise is not inherently a part of Capitalism and vice-versa. They've gone together pretty well but each might do better with a different partner or different arrangement altogether.




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