Yeah I think that’s the bright spot, now that there’s a branded offering for server-flavored Ryzen now maybe there is a permanent justification for doing proper validation.
I just feel vindicated lol, it always comes up that “well works fine for me!” and the reality is it’s a total crapshoot with even server-branded boards often not working. There is zero chance your gigabyte UD3 or whatever is going to be consistently supported across bios and often it will not be.
And AMD is really really tied to AGESA releases, so it’s fairly important on that side. Although I guess maybe we’re seeing now what happens if you let too much be abstracted away… but on the other hand partners were blowing up AMD chips last year too.
If you’re comfortable always testing, and always having the possibility of there being some big AGESA problem and ecc being broken on the new versions… ok I guess.
There is a reason the i3 chips were perennial favorites for edge servers and NASs. And I think it's really, really hard to overstate the long-term damage from reputation loss here. Intel, meltdown aside, was always no-drama in terms of reliability. Other than C2000/C3000, I guess.
or at least... maybe on the CPU side they were no-drama. Other than C2000/C3000. Granted the powervr graphics on the atoms way back did suck... and meltdown... and avx-512 being rolled back... /phillip j fry counting on his fingers
maybe "blue-chip coded" is a better way to express it ig
but like, there is a notable decline in the quality of execution of intel overall, pretty much across the board, and cpu was always their core vertical, right? That was their business redoubt. intel is blue chip chips, especially CPUs. And now it's falling - really it's been falling for a while. Meltdown I can generally excuse (yes, shush), nobody appreciated sidechannels back then even if they were theoretically known. C2000/C3000 is another fuckup. yeah it's the super-io/serial bus controller... technically not their IP but it happens to be in a critical path, on their node, killing their processor. They fucked up the validation there, evidently.
I-225V had three steppings and I-226V is still not fully fixed (windows/linux have just turned off the EEE/802.11az feature instead). Puma was a god damned mess.
Sapphire rapids was late, still a huge mess, and actually the -W platform had not only insane power draw, but also insaner transients. 750W average, spiking up to 1500W under load, with pretty steep holdup requirements. And actually that was locked behind a "water cooled" bios option, the processor just "refused to all-core turbo" otherwise. And Intel didn't wanna actually say that the "water cooled" behavior was the spec or intentional turbo limits etc. In hindsight hmmm, that all took a bit of a different tone, didn't it?
Supposedly there is going to be a SPR-W refresh with a new stepping to fix this... emerald rapids is also very power-hungry and there were some unconfirmed murmurs suggesting it might have the same crash problems.
Intel's in some real danger especially with AMD ascendant like this. Like it doesn't take very long of this real damage to customers etc and that "we're blue-chip!" thing will cease to be, and that is the last prop keeping intel's finances above the water here. Sure, it will take a while to fully wind down but... this is a great example of how intel's fuckups are driving their clients literally into the arms of the competition. A month or two ago, Asrock Rack didn't give a shit about the B650-2L2T or whatever. Guess what? Now Epyc Mini exists and oems are going to be paying attention to that. Oops.
Damn, didn't realise that was still being problematic too. :(
And yeah, Intel's current stumble with 13th/14th gen cpus seems like worst possible timing for such an extreme fuck up. That's not going to go well for future planning/purchase decisions by business customers.
I just feel vindicated lol, it always comes up that “well works fine for me!” and the reality is it’s a total crapshoot with even server-branded boards often not working. There is zero chance your gigabyte UD3 or whatever is going to be consistently supported across bios and often it will not be.
And AMD is really really tied to AGESA releases, so it’s fairly important on that side. Although I guess maybe we’re seeing now what happens if you let too much be abstracted away… but on the other hand partners were blowing up AMD chips last year too.
If you’re comfortable always testing, and always having the possibility of there being some big AGESA problem and ecc being broken on the new versions… ok I guess.
There is a reason the i3 chips were perennial favorites for edge servers and NASs. And I think it's really, really hard to overstate the long-term damage from reputation loss here. Intel, meltdown aside, was always no-drama in terms of reliability. Other than C2000/C3000, I guess.