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The UK experienced that same right wing shift 14 years ago and is now dealing with the fallout. Europe is still in its honeymoon phase with the latest batch of right wing demagogues.


France very recently did a full 180.


Not quite. France has been "centre" for a while. Recently the far-right gained some ground. A left alliance appeared but now Macron's centre doesn't want to bring the largest party of the left alliance into the government.

That's at most a 25 degree turn IMO, but in reality it's probably going to be crazy steering and hoping not to hit the guardrails or run off the cliff.


death of left was with new labour. That was the _real_ shift to the right.


> UK experienced that same right wing shift 14 years ago

Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites. Taken to their logical ends, the Britain after its threatened political revolutions will still look recognisable. France post RN or Germany AfD would be completely remade.


> Not sure these are comparable. Britain’s shift was led by its elites. Europe’s is closer to a dumping of its elites.

What does that mean? How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites? None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them. They're not grassroots movements, regardless of how they try to portray themselves.


> How is a political party funded by a bunch of generational rich right wingers dumping elites?

It’s a new set of elites. Starmer is still connected and conversant with the present batch of elites.

> None of these right wing parties would exist without rich people funding them

This is true of practically every revolution outside fairy tales. (It’s why fairy tales need divine intervention and/or superpowers to be believable.)


What is the new set of elites in France and Germany? How are they different from the old batch of elites?

As far as I can tell, it's all the same donors and special interests. The only difference is in the rhetorical window dressing.

You might as well be comparing Lidl and Aldi.


> How are they different from the old batch of elites?

They’re in different social circles! They don’t socialise with each other. That’s the difference. Bardella is a college drop-out, for instance.

> it's all the same donors and special interests

If you aren’t looking for how subsets in that group align and reälign you’re missing the entirety of politics.




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