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> are honest about fooling you, too... including being honest about lying

That doesn't make any sense.

"He's a liar, but he's an honest liar."

Huh?



Animals don't intend nor even attempt to deceive, unlike humans. They have a goal in mind, and they just do whatever presumably achieves that goal sooner. They are honest even if they seem like they are lying.

Another way to look at it is a computer throwing out wrong information. The computer doesn't care about deception, it's just honestly doing what it was told with what it knows.

Sometimes I wonder if the norm is the world doesn't lie and humans are the major exception. Humans are fucking assholes.


> Animals don't intend nor even attempt to deceive, unlike humans.

I mean, that's just factually wrong.

Animals aren't different at all from humans in that regard. Since you don't seem to have much experience with animals, perhaps you might be interested in one tiny example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoo#Brood_parasitism

The reproductive strategy of cuckoos is based on deceit, quite fundamentally.

And humans generally lie to achieve some goal -- humans don't generally tell major lies for no reason at all. And their minor lies often have an emotional reason behind them -- e.g. to avoid offense or avoid conflict or preserve their ego.

All that being said, I'm sorry that you've had such terrible experience with other people. If you haven't already, I would definitely suggest exploring talk therapy. It can help you both to figure out how to deal with people, as well as how to identify and find other people who are emotional supportive and beneficial, rather than people who drain and harm you.


>The reproductive strategy of cuckoos is based on deceit, quite fundamentally.

Is that deception, though? Lying? It might look like deception as far as humans are concerned, but the cuckoos just want other birds to raise their chicks.

>I'm sorry that you've had such terrible experience with other people.

It's not so much that as it is all humans are two-faced to some degree of non-zero value. Human society is also structured in a way that honest, one-faced people finish dead last. It's tiresome, downright exhausting even when there are no negatives involved.

I never so much as have to care about that if I deal with animals, they are honest to a fault including when they "lie". What you see is what you get; animals are a breath of fresh air compared to humans.




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