You're right. I wondered at one point why we didn't get banned, or if we did but didn't notice. I don't know, I like to discuss things, and I'm not sure what's the exact point where I should've called it quits, although it's clear the discussion got derailed somewhere and became pointless. Maybe you should ban me, and I mean this in a completely non combative way - if I can't figure out when to stop, maybe I should spend my time somewhere else. Or spend my time on something else - that the whole thing didn't bring anything is at least one thing that's obvious.