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[flagged] Virologist who was first to share Covid genome sleeps on street after lab shuts (nature.com)
58 points by Brajeshwar on May 1, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 29 comments


> “He drove that collaboration but there is nothing to collaborate on now; he hasn’t been able to get any data,” says Holmes.

> Holmes believes the lab closure is part of an effort to sideline Zhang for unauthorized sharing of data. “It is heartbreaking to watch,” he says. “It is unfathomable to me to have a scientist of that calibre sleeping outside his lab.”

> But Yanzhong Huang, a specialist in Chinese health policy at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City, says the true nature of the dispute and protest are “shrouded in mystery”.

I guess we're supposed to infer that he got in trouble from the University and/or the CCP for sharing data in a way they deemed unacceptable, so they punished him by making it hard for him to get access to data. And that this lab closure is part of that larger punishment, if it's not just a coincidence caused by incompetence (which does exist at both the University and Party level, to be sure).

Sleeping outside the lab is almost certainly a form of protest. He won a $1MM prize a couple years ago, and is a respected researcher anyway. He must have either money, friends, or grad students who would let him sleep on the couch.


I find it weird when somebody like this is punished by their country/employer. He must be very patriotic and loyal, at least, I assume he could just come work at a US university and be regarded as a rockstar.


This happens to a lot of Chinese scientists. Quite a number of them were silenced during Covid for expressing opinions contrary to the State propaganda.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-wuhan-...

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/03/china-covid-wh...


Important detail: He is on the street not because he is destitute, but because the government entity that owns his lab (SPHCC) forced him to temporarily relocate for renovations without providing a suitable replacement lab. There's probably a lot more drama beneath the surface of this story.


He couldn't get a hotel? There's something more to this story indeed...


Was he previously living in the lab, that doesn't seem good when studying human pathogens.


On the other hand, a daily commute between a level 3 virology lab and a residential area doesn't sound that great either...


visit cdc.gov to get the facts about covid-19


Virus cultures can be hard, having live human specimen works way better /s.


Why doesn't he go home to sleep? Was the lab his only living place? Still terrible.


I find that to be a clickbaity headline, something I was not expecting from Nature.

When I read it, I figured his life was destroyed, he had no money, he lost his home and was begging and living on the street.

Whereas the article seems to indicate that he was doing it as a protest, and as the article progresses it appears that his protest has yielded positive results.


This is Nature News, not an article from the Nature Journal. They are basically abusing the Nature name to get clicks.


ah ok. Thank you for that clarification. I didn't catch it.


> I was not expecting from Nature

Nature has been on a downward trend for awhile, since at least the Woo Suk Hwang steam cell scandal in the mid '00s.


Anybody deeply involved in the vaccine research should get, like, a “do whatever you want” pass from society for the rest of their lives. IMO, retire and open a cafe by the beach, but if he wants to keep running a lab give him tenure and free grants forever.


That's how nobility and fiefdoms work. Not capitalism and democracy.


Well, this virologist is in Shanghai. Principles of capitalism and democracy are probably irrelevant.


Capitalism does work like that, except being able to retire into a life of comfort is only defined by your ability to make a lot of money


And your ability to not get the value of your labour taken advantage of by entities with leverage, resources, and information vastly superior in all ways to your own position.


Which is based not on your ability to produce value, but your ability to capture value and charge a cut of every unit, and is thus a massive disincentive to produce public goods.


It's often based on your ability to capture other people's value way more than creating value on your own.


But he is in China which is meant to be communism, isn't it? I used to believe communist governments would normally provide their senior scientists with at least a humble dorm room for free. What's the point of communism if they don't?


It is never pure. There is no need to appeal to communism or totalitarianism…


People win lotteries and inherit great sums of money all the time, if we also give a “get out of the market free” card to people like this it shouldn’t cause too much of a perturbation.


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Why are you sharing a newsweek article from a Congress PDF? Do you think it makes it look more important or reliable?


It was simply the first hit on google, no preference for where you find the info, it's everywhere if you look for it.


> it's everywhere if you look for it.

Like flat earth, coming ice age, 9-11 inside job, etc stories?

Ubiquity doesn't necessitate truth.


Reading between the lines (the institute gave the research team two days to leave..., their students’ incomplete experiments were now “impossible to save"...), it sounds like this was not a planned move or reno. One possibility could be that they had a leak and everyone had to be evacuated, but perhaps the more concerning one would be that they were working on H5N1 (release the genome on one of the human-transmitted strains?), and were stopped


*in Shanghai

Just a quick clarification in case anyone breezes past the article.




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