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Another day, another fairly good comment going grey on an AI #1. The over-alignment is really starting to be the dominant term in model utility, Opus and even Sonnet are both subjectively and on certain coding metrics outperforming both the 1106-preview and 0125-preview on many coding tasks, and we are seeing an ever-escalating set of kinda ridiculous hot takes from people with the credentials to know better.

Please stop karma bombing comments saying reasonable things on important topics. The parent is maybe a little spicy, but the GP bought a ticket to that and plenty more.

edit: fixed typo.




What if they're wrong, and most people know what a "system message" is a year after ChatGPT launch, so they're willing to downvote?

Is there any chance that could be happening, instead of a complex drama play with OP buying tickets to spice that's 100% obviously true?


I was trying to be helpful. I've made elitist remarks on HN that were dubious in at least two ways: it was dubious if I was actually all that elite, and it was dubious if any amount of being elite justifies or makes useful a posture of elitism. My internal jury is still out, but as of writing I think I probably underestimated how unique my first-hand knowledge and contributions were, but more than made up for that by the claims exceeding the reality by a huge margin, for a massive net lose that made me wish I could take the remarks back.

I click on every HN username I reply to, because I've been hanging out here for like 16 years and more than once I've mouthed off only to later realize it was about C++ to Walter Bright or something, and looked a fool as a result. I've since apologized to Walter for disrespecting a legend and he was very gracious about it, to cite just one example.

Your initial remark wasn't even that bad, certainly others talk that way, and I tried to frame it accurately as one guy who tends to FAANG-flex carelessly rather than thoughtfully to another guy who probably doesn't talk to people like that face to face and is probably a pretty good guy having a tough day. I was trying to say: "been there, maybe cool it man you're probably going to have the same bad time I've had on this sort of thing".

But this is getting to where I'm starting to lose my temper a bit, I've been pretty cool about this. I even went and read the Dart/`llama.cpp`/`ONNX` stuff because I've also messed around with binding to `llama.cpp` and `whisper.cpp` and stuff just to make sure I'm not mouthing off to Jeff Dean's alt or something. I'm not talking to Jeff Dean.

I surf with `showdead` on, and I don't know the current meta so I don't know if you know that you've been flagged dead 3 times on this subthread already and as much as I'd like to, I can't really argue with any of the 3.

But given that you've clearly got similar interests, and therefore probably things that you could teach me if I were willing to listen, I'm going to propose a do-over.

If you'd like to start this over from a place of mutual interest and write this thread off to "a pair of people had bad vibes on an Internet forum once", email be at `b7r6@b7r6.net`.

If not, no hard feelings, but in that case, let's just give one another a wide berth and call it a day.




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