I genuinely haven’t met anyone who deeply wanted children and then didn’t because of “socioeconomics”.
I met plenty of ppl who talk about the climate or cost of housing as the reason for other ppl but I never knew of anyone making a decision this way. You know someone?
By socioeconomics, I'm referring to all those different factors.
The point is that "I don't want to have children because I'm worried about the impact of climate change" (social) or "I don't want to have children because I think it'll be too expensive" (economic) is not caused by biology and thus there is no selecting such concerns out of the gene pool.
Not even mentioning that evolution doesn't even meaningfully work at these short timescales. Modern humans are essentially identical to ~40,000 years ago, simply not enough time and pressure for evolution to do its thing.
I see. I didn’t mean literal genetic evolution. Cultural if you will.
Parents who fail to instill love and desire of family into their kids won’t get to be grandparents. A few decades ago maybe you could take it for granted “everyone ends up having kids” now it obviously is a dead end unless you really help your kids through it. It feels to me like the next generation will have parents who will be intentional about this value. Others won’t bother having kids to begin with.
I don't think so, their kids are not robots that can be programmed, they will still choose based on if/when they think they're able to provide for kids.
It'd take regression back to a society where women are considered to have no value outside of being child factories, for parents to be able to indoctrinate their kids into reproducing with no concern for how good of a life they can actually give those kids.
On a less extreme note I do think parents can instill less individualistic/materialistic/extractive ideals in their children; I think these things - more the socio than the economic - are the main drivers of lower birth rates as evidenced by the fact that even rich people aren’t having kids.
> The point is that "I don't want to have children because I'm worried about the impact of climate change" (social) or "I don't want to have children because I think it'll be too expensive" (economic) is not caused by biology
How do you know that? Are those really the reasons, or is the underlying reason "I don't really feel an urge to want kids, so I'm using this reason to justify it"?
Evolution works slowly, but that's because most traits have fairly minimal benefits. Marginally better eyesight might mean a 2% better chance of procreating. Assuming there's some genetic factor for "emotional desire to have children regardless of the circumstances", the chance of procreation rate for that is rapidly approaching 100%.
It's obviously far more complicated than that - it will be an interesting question for future biologists - if there are any!
The people who "deeply want children" are going to do it anyway. I think the majority of people to whom this discussion apples, have vague ideas that kids "would be nice", but simply don't prioritize it enough to overcome the said socioeconomic hurdles.
So inasmuch as they are just deciding not to accept the necessary tradeoffs (e.g. move somewhere cheaper and less appealing) it is a bit of a disingenuous excuse or self delusional. However I still think it is fair to point out that the higher cost floor on kids simply makes it lower ROI.
I think we should also recognize the the generation in question might have difficulty with relationships. Having kids means finding a partner bought into the idea too and taking the leap. It seems people aren't figuring that out until much later.
I met plenty of ppl who talk about the climate or cost of housing as the reason for other ppl but I never knew of anyone making a decision this way. You know someone?