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I've heard the phrase "regulating yourself out of the market."

Do you feel this applies here?



The axiom is that the EU is such an important market that it can dictate terms to the world. Such as the landmark success of persuading Apple that it may as well use USB on mobile phones.

It's not as clear that it's better to give up on artificial intelligence than to give up on Europe. When your axioms are unsound, you can derive nonsense from them. So yep, it seems Europe isn't going to be the future of machine intelligence, to the astonishment of noone.


Before I sold my previous company, a medium size ai company, it was already often an internal debate whether the EU was worth selling to for our size company.

The reality is that the EU is a much much smaller market than North America, and expensive to operate in even without onerous AI regulation.

It’s likely easier to support the EU for larger companies, but there is little doubt in my mind that this sort of regulation in the near term will ensure that Europe will always get services much later than NA, and maybe some companies will choose not to bring some products to the EU at all.


What a trade. Sacrificed the next qualitative shift in economic growth after the industrial revolution, and in return was able to force the switch of the Lightning port in one type of phone for USB-C.


> The axiom is that the EU is such an important market that it can dictate terms to the world.

So the EU exists strictly in an effort to bully the rest of the world into their continental ideas? I thought the purpose was to provide representation and protection to their own citizens.

> So yep, it seems Europe isn't going to be the future of machine intelligence, to the astonishment of noone.

They mistook State Authority as an end unto itself. Everything else is going to be secondary to that.


The EU has been declining in its share of the world market year on year - it should focus on stopping the decline, not adding more regulatory burden.


Happy not to conduct business with a party if its practice does not reflect my values.


I'll go further. I fully do not recognize certain internet laws enacted recently by various states in the US, such as requiring identification to view a website, or banning children from using the internet after dark.

Laws like these are unconstitutional and I intend to actively disregard them while still serving customers in those states.


How are they unconstitutional?



So the answer is to take that choice away from you?


The answer is that unbridled capitalism is not what I want.


What about the people in Europe who do want to use those services? Why does what you want trump what they want, especially when them doing what they want has no direct impact on you.


If those other people start using tech to automatically recognize my face on CCTV footage, that absolutely has an impact on me. I'm using the CCTV footage example because it's one of the things this regulation forbids.


We don't have anything anywhere close to unbridled capitalism.


Indeed, I will have to geoblock my products out of the EU, as I've heard others have already done.


Are you ready to opt out to cancer treatments found by US AIs?


This sort of comment is so useless.

Do you actually believe cancer treatments are what the EU is going to lose on with these regulations?

Why?


While I agree that the comment you replied to seems a bit over the top, I don’t think the answer to your question is as obvious as you make it out to be.

1. If the AI is more effective at finding successful cancer treatment for Little Endians versus Big Endians, then there is a non-zero chance that the AI will be deemed discriminatory. This could play out in a number of ways, but restricted access is certainly one of them. I live in California, and I also think that there is a non-zero chance of this happening here. It all depends on how the treatment and data are presented.

2. If the manufacturer of said treatment is anti-union, will the treatment options be distributable in certain parts of Europe?


There were plenty of top tier Covid vaccines created in Europe, and a Danish pharmaceutical is currently crushing the US weight loss market: your jingoism is deluding you.


> your jingoism is deluding you

As is yours.

Who said anything about where I think this AI would be developed?

US is possible. So is China. So is Europe. Not necessarily in that order. Japan might have an outside chance if certain things line up a certain way.

If Europe and the US make AI research overly cumbersome, I’m sure there are plenty of countries that will offer sweetheart deals to the best teams looking for a new home.


It's not AI, but drug makers have already opted out of EU countries because of their regulations.

"Drugmakers Boehringer-Ingelheim and Eli Lilly have called off plans to market their Type 2 diabetes drug linagliptin in Germany because new legislation in the country could mean that pill's price could end up being too low."

https://www.reuters.com/article/boehringer-lilly-idINL5E7K23...


Of course. I mean this is the eu we're talking about.




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