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I worked at Google up through 8 weeks ago and knew there _had_ to be a trick --

You know those stats they're quoting for beating GPT-4 and humans? (both are barely beaten)

They're doing K = 32 chain of thought. That means running an _entire self-talk conversation 32 times_.

Source: https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_..., section 5.1.1 paragraph 2




How do you know GPT-4 is 1 shot? The details about it aren't released, it is entirely possible it does stuff in multiple stages. Why wouldn't OpenAI use their most powerful version to get better stats, especially when they don't say how they got it?

Google being more open here about what they do is in their favor.


There's a rumour that GPT-4 runs every query either 8x or 16x in parallel, and then picks the "best" answer using an additional AI that is trained for that purpose.


It would have to pick each token then, no? Because you can get a streaming response, which would completely invalidate the idea of the answer being picked after.


It's false, it's the 9 months-down-the-line telephone game of a unsourced rumor re: mixture of experts model. Drives me absolutely crazy.

Extended musings on it, please ignore unless curious about evolution patterns of memes:

Funnily enough, it's gotten _easier_ to talk about over time -- i.e. on day 1 you can't criticize it because it's "just a rumor, how do you know?" -- on day 100 it's even worse because that effect hasn't subsided much, and it spread like wildfire.

On day 270, the same thing that gave it genetic fitness, the alluring simplicity of "ah yes, there's 8x going on", has become the core and only feature of the Nth round of the telephone game. There's no more big expert-sounding words around it that make it seem plausible.


As with most zombie theories, it exists because there is a vacuum of evidence to the contrary, not because it’s true.


It thinks about your question forever...


That genetic fitness is exactly why those stupid conspiracy theories refuse to die out: they've adapted to their hosts.


I recall reading something about it being a MoE (mixture of experts) which would align with what you are saying


That do makes sense if you consider the MIT paper on debating LLMs.


So beam search?


Same way I know the latest BMW isn't running on a lil nuke reactor. I don't, technically. But there's not enough comment room for me to write out the 1000 things that clearly indicate it. It's a "not even wrong" question on your part


where are you seeing that 32-shot vs 1-shot comparison drawn? in the pdf you linked it seems like they run it various times using the same technique on both models and just pick the technique which gemini most wins using.




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