> The front-end meme developers in this thread are absolutely seething over this post but it's a good point.
Are they actually seething? I've read the top comments on this post and don't see much that I'd describe as seething, just some people who bring up valid points about browser support.
I don't see any web developers seething - web development is complex and everything has trade-offs. I for one am eagerly awaiting a universe with excellent native HTML controls. However this golden future is still a long ways over the horizon for variety of reasons.
This thread feels more like "never-JS" users patting themselves on the back for their choice to always disable JavaScript in 2023. Look, I get it, but we have to build software with real world constraints, and some of those constraints are plain and simple business hubris. Plenty of times I've seen a product owner demand a feature that can only be had with JS, and no amount of arguments to semantic HTML purity will change their mind as to why we can't have that same feature that Gmail has. If I don't build it for them, they'll hire someone who can.
Also two separate times in the last year I've had to help a team that's using traditional MVC with no JS at all, and now they have a feature that can only be done with JS. But they have an entire dev team and no one knows JS at all. They don't even know where to start, so they're calling me in to help them retrofit it in at great expense. It would have been cheaper to just use JS from the start, and they have to pay for that mistake.
Sadly this is lost on a lot of folks here. We're not using JS out of ignorance, we're using it out of necessity. We don't build react front ends for CRUD because it's inherently better to browse with curl, we do it because it's currently the most effective way to meet the needs of the business. The goals of the business rarely align with the goals of opinionated technologists, but that hardly is grounds for the level of scorn I see from that crowd.
Are they actually seething? I've read the top comments on this post and don't see much that I'd describe as seething, just some people who bring up valid points about browser support.