Nothing is substandard in Firefox. Manifest 3 in Chrome is actually giving Google the ability to make Chrome substandard. I know it annoying to hear but I really think its better if people switch to Firefox.
Chrome is the standard. Any feature in Firefox that is not 1:1 with chrome is by definition substandard.
And I didn't say it was substandard, I said it wasn't good.
I find the UI to be bad. When you ask for customization, like disabling excess tabs from scrolling off the edge of the screen, forum users treat you like an idiot. Performance has always been worse, particularly on mobile. Session state is less reliable. WebUSB is missing. Microphone support is unreliable. Updates under Linux cause any link you click to softlock the browser with an error page until you manually restart. Linux support in general is very poor. Firefox recently fixed a bug with tooltip rendering that's been reported for what, 15 years?
Chrome has been better than Firefox for a very long time. That's why we all switched to chrome in the first place.
Now that chrome is the scourge of the internet, there's really just one alternative. Unless you count safari, but that's a different story.
We're in a bad situation and Mozilla isn't doing enough to make it better. They haven't been for a long, long time.
Sorry but lots of things are substandard in Firefox. On the rare occasion that I do use it the first thing I'm always promted with is "there's an update available - click here to restart" like it's 2003 again. Numerous pages have rendering problems with Firefox. Performance is not good enough. Dev tools have fallen behind. It aggressively pushes shitty "value-adds" like that lame bookmarking service (Pocket Mark or something). And the never ending UI refreshes are exhausting.
> Show me these pages that Firefox doesn't render well.
I'm not doing homework for you. Lots of pages don't render well in Firefox, it's a well known issue which is why it comes up in every thread about Firefox.
> Show me pages that tank Firefox performance.
Firefox in general performs poorly. Again, known long-term ongoing issue. Look at this thread where almost every top-level comment is sceptical that Firefox is even close to Chrome in performance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883
You can find ongoing performance benchmarks between Chrome and Firefox here, and it's not flattering for FF: https://arewefastyet.com
> How many of them will have -webkit-* and other engine-exclusive markup/CSS?
I don't care, at all. It's not my job, as a user, to debug performance problems.
> Firefox updates every 6 weeks, just like Chrome.
Check the y axis labels on arewefastyet. When FF is winning, it is often by a large multiple. When chrome wins it is usually by under a factor of two. It wins by a factor of three on one benchmark that I could find.
I don’t think many users will notice a factor of 2-3 in page render time, even if the benchmarks where firefox wins are all somehow not representative of real world use, but the chrome ones are.
As for pages that don’t render, I simply don’t see this problem at all. One bank I use refuses to let you log in if Linux appears in the user agent string, but that hits Chrome too. Do you have a single example?
>One bank I use refuses to let you log in if Linux appears in the user agent string, but that hits Chrome too.
So why do you do business with this bank? I have a bunch of accounts at different banks and other financial institutions, and have never had this problem. I'd never open an account at a bank this incompetent with IT issues.
Open and use more than 10 aws console tabs actively on Linux and Firefox will crash (all tabs).
Chromium can do more than double without crashing.
I still use ff whenever possible
