All of that stuff can be easily added using 3rd party packages, just like Laravel, Rails, Django, etc all have userland addons. https://packages.adonisjs.com

I didn't know about these packages. But still, nothing really that improves rendering.

https://packages.adonisjs.com/?category=Rendering

And the fact that these aren't official is kind of the point I've been making. In the JS world there isn't a holistic fullstack framework. You have to stitch it all up yourself. In Adonis, Express, Fastify, Next, SvelteKit, etc.

> But still, nothing really that improves rendering.

Because most people are content with using Adonis' Edge templating with something like Alpine for sprinkling in interactivity, or using Vue.

> In the JS world there isn't a holistic fullstack framework.

This is true for all monolithic frameworks in every other language. Even Rails you have to use 3rd party addons for stuff. It's not feasible to build everything in for every possible use case, so they make it easy to add on stuff.

I think now you're just starting to move the goalposts.

> Because most people are content with using Adonis' Edge templating with something like Alpine for sprinkling in interactivity, or using Vue.

I'm not talking about adding client-side interactivity though. Read my comments again.

> I think now you're just starting to move the goalposts.

I think you're not really reading my comments.

Obviously no solution will solve everything 100%. That's not even an argument.