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When people here say "Europe is great", which part are they referring to?



Someone should read the fine article:

  ESA is one of the world’s leading space exploration organizations and one of the few that is international in scope, representing 22 member states. Contrary to a common misconception, ESA is not part of the European Union and not bound by European law. In fact, ESA is not bound by any real-world law, either local or national—it’s governed only by its 130-page Convention and a set of internal regulations.

  This international status grants the ESA and its staff privileges that are far superior to those afforded to its bigger sister and role model, NASA, notably the ability to maintain any internal documents as confidential.
ESA were basically granted immunity, almost like a UN agency, and of course they are abusing it.


They also pay lower taxes than everyone else and so on. The best thing about ESA is that it sucks and doesn't actually accomplish much, so hopefully they stop this scam.


Euclid isn't an achievement?


For the money we pump into it, it's not much of an achievement. We didn't even launch it.


And SpaceX didn't build it... Strong statement so of calling Euclid not much of an achievement after it being up there for a couple of days only.

I am honetely to lazy to look up a list of ESA space missions for you, Wikipedia might have a decent overview so.


Again my complaint is not the end result isn't "impressive" in isolation it's that it's not impressive for the amount of time and money dumped into it compared to any other space program on earth. I said "for the money we pump into it".


A claim not realy supported by 2022 space program budgets so:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/745717/global-government...


Based on the data shared you're right and my assertions are wrong or at least overblown. To be honest I was thinking mostly compared to the Indian space program and their recent successes and I see that the data confirms that they have pumped less money and have (imo) done way more. But overall I'm wrong in the way I was positioning this, thanks for sharing, I did some more research on account of your comments.


No problem. After all, those programs are as much about maintaining knowledge, industry and capabilities in country as they are about specific missions.


They're typically Americans who think all 50+ European countries have very similar legal systems and cultures.


The typical American still probably doesn’t even know that the words EU and Europe aren’t interchangeable.

When I lived to Austria I was appalled at how many American friends asked me about the surfing.


To be fair, Austria had a pretty decent navy that used to give the Italians a run for their money. They probably did a bit of surfing here and there, too.


They have time sweet river surfing spots too. ;)


Louisiana doesn't even use common law.


Eh, Scotland is in a similar position with a common-civil hybrid. The Channel Islands use a local customary Normon-derived legal system. And that's only in one European country!


'Western Europe' or 'EU + UK' or 'G6' basically, with the additional information that the speaker's North American.


No love for Switzerland?


I didn't mean 'Western Europe' to exclude it.

UN geoscheme lists it as such if you want something concrete. (Though it also puts the UK in Northern Europe, and leaves out Italy & Spain & Portugal (Southern), which I didn't mean either.)

It's a funny term. In UK use it means something like 'mainland Europe but not Russia or some former Soviet states'. It's about the bits you think of and travel to, I suppose. Although that makes it sound obvious, which it isn't, because nobody means India when they say Asia, but it's at least as much in the public psyche as anywhere else in continental Asia.


Oh, I meant EU+UK would exclude Switzerland. No comment about Western Europe intended.


The one people on reddit present when bashing the USA.


The one they saw on Youtube where some random person does a video about their opinions.

You know. "Fact" and "rigorous research".




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