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chinese industrial espionage, russian hawkish propaganda, russian crackers, and mass persecution of dissidents in both russia and china are all well-established and lamentable facts

so are government-backed espionage, government-backed hawkish propaganda, and government-backed crackers in countries such as the usa and germany

the usa also has a level of mass imprisonment that russia and china haven't seen in decades, it just isn't for political dissidence, except in a few cases like swartz and assange (who is currently imprisoned in the uk fighting extradition to the usa)



That is not evidence. It is just talking. I mean number of attacks, organization of attacks, if other countries do not do what these do... everything together, unbiased.

I would like to be able to have an idea to compare things in a fair way.

I do not mean you are wrong. I am just a person that believes what he sees. Not what others day they see. For this, real research is the best tool we have.


you asked how much evidence there was; that was the question i was answering, not what the evidence was

i agree that actually listing the evidence would be better, and i hope that if you make that effort you will post the list here




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