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These are definitely valid criticisms against Hamas, But how does that even remotely justify Israel? How does armed gang storming your house and killing you is different than bombing? Will it be less painful death?

You want to take the claims about rape and mutilation though there weren't any proofs given till date, but doubt the number of people killed on Gaza despite all the names are published?

If your only solution to beat a "terrorist" organization is to be bigger evil than them talks about the weakness of your government, not a blanket justification to commit genocide.




I'm not sure what you're suggesting. That Hamas can commit a raid into Israel and then stay in Gaza with impunity because Israel is not allowed to bomb Gaza? That makes no sense. What do you propose Israel do with this "terrorist" (why the double quotes?) organization?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forensic-t...

The word genocide is used way to often in this conflict. My dictionary says "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.". There is no genocide.


Used double quotes because neither IDF nor Hamas are declared as terrorist organisation by UN. That doesn't the actions of these organisations though.

If Israel can kill someone in Iran with targeted missile, they are capable of doing the same in Palestine as well. Instead of doing that, they are carpet bombing Palestine, and they are totally aware that only handful of "Hamas" members gets killed in their attack.

They also de-humanise entire Palestinians, not just Hamas stright from Hitlar's playbook and that makes it genocide. It is not a fancy word, it is an unfortunate reality.

Also you are shifting blame of a failed government in Israel to people of Palestine


I would disagree that Israel is dehumanizing all Palestinians. Examples? I have heard the Hamas referred to as sub-human (I don't recall where). Unfortunately they are very human. De-humanizing is not genocide and genocide is not a reality. What it is is propaganda. But yes, Germans and Hitler did dehumanize the jews to support their genocide.

How did we get to Iran? It's easier for Israeli intelligence to operate in Iran than in Gaza. Iranians generally don't hide behind their citizens or in tunnels (that I've seen). I'm not sure what specifically you're referring to or how it is relevant.

No doubt there's huge swaths of destruction in Gaza. That said the media will show you some drone shots going over and over the same building and not show you some nearby areas that have not been hit. Israel is being somewhat selective, it's not carpet bombing. But yeah, large destruction definitely, partly to remove cover for when its forces go in. It's definitely pretty terrible. Wars are. Have you seen Mariupol?

The government of Israel has plenty of blame. But the blame for the horrific attacks on Israel lies squarely on Hamas.


> I would disagree that Israel is dehumanizing all Palestinians

This article has some examples. Many more on social media. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/the-la...


This is an opinion piece and I would say biased. Just to picks some random piece: "For years, Israeli leaders have advocated ethnic cleansing, euphemistically called “transfer” " is totally false. We're talking about some fringe crazies, no Israel leader has ever advocated for this.

The article talks about how schools in Israel view Arabs. Well, you should see how schools in Gaza or the West Bank view Israelis:

https://www.memri.org/reports/plo-summer-camps-%E2%80%93-par...

https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-schoolbo...

I would agree there's likely some stereotyping of Arabs and some "freedom" with the historical narrative. But there's also lots of teaching of principles of free society, equal rights, etc. The evidence is the large number of Israeli who have been trying to work towards some sort of peace, helping Palestinians, fighting against injustice.

"Other Israeli political, military and religious leaders have at different times described Palestinians as “a cancer”, “vermin”, and called for them to be “annihilated”. They are frequently portrayed as backward and a burden on the country." -> references?

If you ask a mother whose child has been killed or kidnapped what that mother thinks about the killers or kidnappers you might get "animals" as an answer. Emotions are definitely running high right now everywhere and you're going to get some of that coming out. As a rule though Israel does not de-humanize all Palestinians, there are many Palestinian Israelis (> 1 million) living side by side with Israelis. That's just a false narrative.


A study that shows levels of dehumanization of the other are extremely high and comparable in BOTH Israeli and Palestinian communities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5528981/




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