> The Israeli Defense Forces said that the blast was the result of a misfire from a Hamas rocket, and President Biden, citing Department of Defense evidence, has backed that claim.
These same people claimed to have seen pictures of 40 beheaded babies last week and had to immediately walk that back. The IDF also claimed not to have assassinated journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, but months later admitted to it. This is a well know IDF playbook, they are not a credible source.
The IDF is a negligible source when it comes to reporting on Israeli civilian casualties.
The tally of multiple hundreds of civilians murdered is easily verifiable - for about 400 civilians, names have been published [1].
One reason for the considerable delay in victim identification has been the burnt and fragmentary state of recovered human remains. This has been reported by dozens of forensic workers, including Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's Institute for Forensic Medicine. [2]
A piece by a social worker published a day ago at Haaretz casually mentions a meat truck filled with children's bodies at the triage site, in particular mentioning the remains of a fetus. [3]
> This is a well know IDF playbook, they are not a credible source.
Question: It is also a well-known Hamas playbook, they are also not a credible source, so why blindly take _either_ at face value? Why blindly take anything at face value without verifying facts?
I didn't see any news articles referencing the doctors at the hospital - but I did see articles using the Gaza Health Ministry. Perhaps that's what you mean? If so, the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas. I stand to be corrected as I obviously haven't read all articles.
Nonetheless I don't see how doctors at the hospital would know who bombed the hospital
Yep, maybe it was the same. And maybe it wasn't. I'm don't know how doctors at a hospital would be able to determine that. I'm pretty sure it's not one of the things they're taught in medical school.
And if you're in a zone where munitions are landing all around you, and almost all of them are from a certain source, you're going to assume the next one is from the same source.
This is the thing I'm finding frustrating. I don't care what "team" people think they're on. The reality on the ground is for regular people there are no teams and it's just tragedy.
But I'm seeing a lot of vociferous blow-back on the Gaza hospital thing -- maybe rightfully so -- but so much less on the other "side." When concerns were brought up about the beheading things, and other claims of veracity it was treated as callous quibbling.
This is not whataboutism: The fundamental reality is it doesn't in the grand scheme of things matter who caused the casualties in the specific instance in the hospital. What matters is that a cessation of conflict is not being considered, and that civilians are being murdered by political actors as a result.
Any ethical grown-up in charge would be working to de-escalate.
I agree. The bombing didn't stop after the hospital. Shortly after a major bakery was bombed by Israel, another yesterday along with the third oldest church in the world that was harboring people who lost their houses. The bombing continues now, 6000 bombs were dropped before the hospital bomb. Thousands of civilians in Gaza have died and that's just getting started. The focus should be on an immediate ceasefire and humanitarian aide.
There are different causes of violence and a ceasefire solves some kinds but not others.
For instance, fear is a major driver of violence: attack "them" to reduce their ability to attack "us". A ceasefire is a good solution here, because it develops a mutual trust that you'll leave each other alone.
But if there are other reasons for attack, e.g. one party is unhappy with the status quo and sees something to be gained by violence, a ceasefire doesn't work. They will just wait for the next opportunity and strike again, regardless of how peaceful the situation is.
I'm not making a moral statement here, just a practical one. A ceasefire today would not magically make everyone content to leave each other alone.
Yet people still believe them, spread their lies, and believe the US, the country that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them, and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, because they think if they don't believe Israel and the US, then they side with terrorists.
These same people claimed to have seen pictures of 40 beheaded babies last week and had to immediately walk that back. The IDF also claimed not to have assassinated journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, but months later admitted to it. This is a well know IDF playbook, they are not a credible source.