The Guardian was only re-reporting that the Washington Post wrote a report (which did reference HN, but put "...after Washington Post analysis" in the strapline), not doing any kind of active journalism that would involve verifying anything or checking sources. "People are saying", basically.
I suppose by not directly linking to original source, they don't have to worry about if the WaPo (or HN) fluffed the analysis: after all, the WaPo did report on it, whether or not it's true, accurate or even correctly sourced is immaterial to the Guardian. It's completely devoid of journalistic talent (and I imagine well in the wheelhouse of generative AI, actually) but it fills slots on the website so you don't look "behind" on the news compared to others and you can get your "article" into SERPs and feeds without delay to jostle for clicks.
As a regular reader of The Economist, that switched to the Guardian last year to due circumstance, I can only concur. My god is The Guardian a poor "newspaper". All they do is whine about problems without providing any analysis or solution. So yeah, why even look up the source if the standard of your output is abysmal?
Edit: FYI gave up my subscription after a couple of Months. Now I read the New Scientist. Significantly more optimistic news :).
Same. I am thankful that for some unexplicable reason, my residential IP has free access to The Economist [1]. I still click on The Guardian by habit, but it has become a left-leaning clickbait site, far from the glory days of the Snowden revelations.
1: even as an "anarchist" I confess that op-ed journalism like The Economist's is often more objective because of its economic point of view, than if it was driven by political ideology like the vast majority of newspapers. Another decent one is Financial Times.
If I have to blindly believe someone, I'd rather it be Wall Street than the White House.
Interestingly, that was (allegedly) because the Guardian was printed in Manchester, and therefore had to be delivered to London by train overnight, meaning that in London (where most of the press and other media who could write jokes about "the Grauniad" were), the copies would be earlier editions that had more mistakes in the highly manual typesetting and proofreading process. The London papers, printed in London, would use the more-corrected later editions for distribution in London.
I didn’t see it in the thread yesterday but NOS suggests a reason for why this happened now:
Musk loudly disagreed with NYT featuring Julius Malema just when the delays were first observed. This would suggest that indeed this is done on purpose to hurt NYT and not some technical mishap.
I have only ever interacted with 1 person IRL who used HN, which lead to my using it. Other than that, no-one I know that works within tech uses it, so anecdotally I would say, HN is a relatively unknown community. I wouldn't say exclusive, as anyone can join.
The only time I've ever come across a reference to hackernews outside of hackernews was in a single YouTube video, and it was only mentioned in passing.
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/15/twitter-l...