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Both of which are forms of discovery


Sure but that's like discovering how to make pizza vs discovering how to put a frozen pizza into a microwave.

You'd be generally more proud from the first one


Depends on how much you cook and how good you are at it, right?

When I was a kid, I was damn proud of "discovering" Sub7 and using it to fuck with all of my friends, teaching them to do the same. Years later, I would "discover" how to read assembly by reading a book on it and then "discover" pirated copies of various disassemblers online and use them to reverse engineer games, write keygens, etc. Years later, I would write my first 0day exploit and then eventually make a whole career out of that.

But I was just as proud of discovering and using Sub7 to mess around as a kid as I was popping my first shell. I just knew more at each stage; the act of 'discovery' felt little different, though.


idk what sub7 is, but this is a great post. i like it a lot. sometimes i find it easy to forget what learning is and how it can take place and that we learn from each other and each other's work and sometimes we discover something that no one has discovered before -- it is all learning. thanks.



The amount of preteens I've seen that can't even feed themselves these days without help from their mom, I'd say microwaving a pizza is an achievement.


I can very easily "discover" how to make an illegal <item> in under a minute using the internet, does that mean I should be allowed to have it?

I'm pretty sure your response is not what the GP meant.


Sure. And if there are consequences, face them.


Generally kids are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions which is why parents and their communities set rules/restrictions for kids.


Oh, so you've been a teenager before, too? :)

(I recently saw a fantastic episode of "The Mind, Explained" on Netflix that describes this phenomenon well, along with why it happens: https://www.netflix.com/watch/81273770)


I'm curious as to the reasoning behind why someone apparently disagrees with that.


Generally humans are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions…

Thus saying kids can’t preform superhuman feats isn’t an argument that they should be required to do anything.


Likely a teenager ;)


"if there are consequences" is begging the question.




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