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This is typical internet behavior but I just have to link some Chomsky talks on the topic. One's 7 minutes, and the other's 85 - I recommend the second, of course ;)

7 minutes: The Concept of a Person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0XdIT_Cn4E

85 minutes: Grammar, Mind and Body - A Personal View https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMQS3klG3N0

Especially relevant if you read that article yesterday "disproving" Chomsky by noting that ChatGPT exists, and wanted to consider what his rebuttal might be.

TL;DR:

  My current view is one of consciousness operating on a spectrum,
He would definitely agree

  there has to be some degree of definition that we can agree to as a starting point
He would definitely disagree, as I understand your sentiment; settling on a definition for the concept you're interested in is as impossible as settling on a definition for "meaning", "love", or "justice".

   it's just a useful illusion/delusion and evolutionary adaptation for cooperative behavior.
Alternative hypothesis discussed in the 85min talk: what if cooperation is a useful corollary for consciousness/higher level reasoning via internal linguistic structures?

  The whole thing is a mess. Most likely... we're not special
He would whole-heartedly agree, in the cosmic sense, and whole-heartedly disagree in the sense of our relation to animals.


Thanks, I want to reply but it would do the conversation a disservice without watching this video and getting on the same page. If I get some time to do so I'll try and reply.

One thing I will just throw a bone on is this one:

> what if cooperation is a useful corollary for consciousness/higher level reasoning via internal linguistic structures?

Yes! Interesting! But what is cooperation? Is it mating? Are cats cooperating by mating and then parting ways? Are wolves (yes they are I think) cooperating? Different vocalizations from different animals mean different things and animals understand that. Is there a categorical difference between those patterns and the larger (although I don't know if this applies to the range of sounds) complexity of human language?

Bonus question, how does this factor in to someone who is more well-read than someone else, or maybe knows more languages? If Chomsky or others were to suggest there's no difference and you just hit a threshold by being a human with language, it still seems a little anthropocentric to me. I'm guessing that (and it's probably a taboo subject) there is differences in consciousness between humans as well - i.e. some people are more conscious than other people. It's not binary.




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