I saw Charles Manson and a few others on the MKUltra Wikipedia page but they use phrases like "alleged", "according to author...". Without an idea of the sample size of people subjected to experimentation it's still inconclusive.

I’m sorry, is your point that MKUltra experimentation on people isn’t proven to be bad for them?

Unexpected high doses of LSD, attempts at programming, manipulation and what can only honestly be described as torture… the CIA destroyed all the records of this and because we don’t have complete records we just have to make a big shrug and say “ah well JKCalhoun isn’t convinced, guess it’s not bad for you.”

What would it take to convince you that dosing unexpecting people with high amounts of LSD could have a detrimental effect on their mental health, possibly making people crazy?

> is your point that MKUltra experimentation on people isn’t proven to be bad for them?

Not at all. Rather, drawing a line backward from Kaczynski's bombing spree to experiments done on him as a part of MK-Ultra I think is questionable "science".

I don’t think it’s science, but if you read about what was done to him, it puts a big asterisk by the discussion about how he could do such evil things.