How is this possibly a profit-making private enterprise unless it's funded by government?
It feels like outsourcing a pre-crime department. If this industry exists outside of normal law enforcement it needs unbelievably tight regulation.
What powers do these private companies think they have?
Do they pass information on to actual law enforcement, and if so, does actual law enforcement do any checks and balances on the information they're receiving?
I don't know if this is next level paranoia or just another scary angle of the same level of paranoia post-911.
I'd also like to be employed by the government to play games and chat online:
FBI and CIA spies had created fake personas to hunt for potential terror plots discussed in online games, such as World of Warcraft and Second Life, as well as on platforms like Xbox Live. Those initiatives fizzled after the intelligence agencies found little to no evidence of terror communications.
I'm interested in arguments that may justify this existing as private industry.
Edited to add: I like how the single sentence quote from an FBI official needed to include not one, but two, [sic]s.
And
“detect threat actors when they are young or starting out at 14 or 15, that's when I start observing and documenting their malicious activities.”
Talk about justifying the very activity the teenagers are engaging in, ie. fuck authority.
I feel like I want to educate the teens to be smarter, in both their life choices and opsec. I certainly hope law enforcement doesn't treat these teenagers with the blunt object that law enforcement is stereotyped to only be equipped with.
I got worried seeing how she profiled 14/15 year olds in the same frame as adults. That’s problematic. Children have a right to make mistakes — I’m sure we’ve all benefited from a second chance, although my rationale must change to consider the possibility for massive damage over a computer terminal.
The thing is that these crimes are hard to stop by anyone else considering how complex they can be for the public, let alone for parents to understand what it is their kid is doing in their bedroom late at night.
I wonder if the FBI agents pushing against E2E encryption under the "think of the children" banner and the FBI agents stalking 14 year olds on Fortnite eat in the same cafeteria.
Hey pal! Don't mock these heros on memorial day weekend of all days. They put their lives on the line, for your freedom in security, every single day in Minecraft. Who is going to tell you that "the shooter was on our radar" after the fact if it wasn't for these brave souls.
if the FBI had been investigating my kid for nothing like this. I would have an absolute fit. I would demand action from my senators and congress critters. I would sue so hard for civil rights violations against underage kids.
As an outside (non-US) your policing organisation's seem so damn over the top, whilst at the same time your security (the:personal ownership and carrying of weapons ccw or open) seems fucking batshit crazy.
I have never been able to get the two into a mesh in my head as to why they work that way.
- The USA is about 400 years old as a "civilization" (idk) and 250 years old as a nation.
- Throughout all that time, immigrants were mostly trying to escape political and economic conditions in older nations
- The first 300 of those years, the majority of the land was sparsely populated frontier
- Its settlers were in violent competition with the original inhabitants
- Its settlers were often also in violent competition with each other, mostly over natural resources (mining claims, grazing range, etc.) but also over political control (slave vs free, Mormon vs non, etc.). Wild-West cowboys vs other cowboys (and cowboys vs. indians) fighting was still happening up to the 1920s
- Regional governments arose mostly bottom-up from settlers self organizing. This was a matter of principle, but also a practical necessity in privately-settled sparsely populated regions.
- The nation was established by a civil war although it's not called that (England vs colony)
- *When the nation was founded, a future civil war was a foregone conclusion.* (North/"Free" vs South/"Slave" although this was *not* a strict equivalence) The first hundred years ish was a mostly linear progression to this civil war! And the subsequent 150 years have been strongly influenced by it as well.
>Osmakac was the target of an elaborately orchestrated FBI sting that involved a paid informant, as well as FBI agents and support staff working on the setup for more than three months. The FBI provided all of the weapons seen in Osmakac’s martyrdom video. The bureau also gave Osmakac the car bomb he allegedly planned to detonate, and even money for a taxi so he could get to where the FBI needed him to go. Osmakac was a deeply disturbed young man, according to several of the psychiatrists and psychologists who examined him before trial. He became a “terrorist” only after the FBI provided the means, opportunity and final prodding necessary to make him one.
>But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.
>Some experts agree. "The target, the motive, the ideology and the plot were all led by the FBI," said Karen Greenberg, a law professor at Fordham University in New York, who specialises in studying the new FBI tactics.
>In March 2011, Osmakac left his job in Tampa and traveled overseas in an attempt to fight the United States and its allies. Osmakac stated that the trip was “his idea” and left abruptly, without telling his family or packing proper clothing. Osmakac originally hoped to go to Afghanistan “and fight the oppressors,” as he described “America and [its] Nato allies.” Osmakac first flew to Turkey and then to Turkmenistan, on Afghanistan's western border. However, Osmakac was denied entry into Turkmenistan because he did not have the proper travel documents. Osmakac then returned to Turkey and tried unsuccessfully to enter Iraq. Osmakac attempted to reach Iraq by crossing through Syria, on Turkey's southern border, but failed to gain entry into Syria. Following this failure to get to Iraq, Osmakac returned to the United States. Osmakac called his family from overseas in order to get money for his return flight.
>Osmakac told the mosque leader that he was “kuffar,” or an infidel, and that Osmakac was “allowed to kill [him]” and take his “women and [his] money.” Osmakac repeated his threats before two board members of the mosque, stating, “[y]ou are kuffar, you're supporting him against us as Muslims and, you know, we're going to kill all of you
So, in summary, a man had a conversation with people at his mosque where he claimed that whatever position that they were taking on some issue was anti-Islamic and punishable by death (according to his interpretation of Islam.) However, he didn't hurt any of them or anyone else. He also left the country to join with other fundamentalists, but never managed to get to any and had to beg for money to get back home.
>in summary, a man had a conversation with people at his mosque where he claimed that whatever position that they were taking on some issue was anti-Islamic and punishable by death (according to his interpretation of Islam.)
I suppose that's one way to summarize "we're going to kill all of you".
How is this possibly a profit-making private enterprise unless it's funded by government?
It feels like outsourcing a pre-crime department. If this industry exists outside of normal law enforcement it needs unbelievably tight regulation.
What powers do these private companies think they have?
Do they pass information on to actual law enforcement, and if so, does actual law enforcement do any checks and balances on the information they're receiving?
I don't know if this is next level paranoia or just another scary angle of the same level of paranoia post-911.
I'd also like to be employed by the government to play games and chat online:
FBI and CIA spies had created fake personas to hunt for potential terror plots discussed in online games, such as World of Warcraft and Second Life, as well as on platforms like Xbox Live. Those initiatives fizzled after the intelligence agencies found little to no evidence of terror communications.
I'm interested in arguments that may justify this existing as private industry.
Edited to add: I like how the single sentence quote from an FBI official needed to include not one, but two, [sic]s.
And
“detect threat actors when they are young or starting out at 14 or 15, that's when I start observing and documenting their malicious activities.”
Talk about justifying the very activity the teenagers are engaging in, ie. fuck authority.
I feel like I want to educate the teens to be smarter, in both their life choices and opsec. I certainly hope law enforcement doesn't treat these teenagers with the blunt object that law enforcement is stereotyped to only be equipped with.