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Eh, Tesla has already shown the world how to make commercially viable EVs. That's a torch the risk averse legacy auto manufacturers can take up, now that Tesla has done the derisking. Now someone needs to prove out self-driving, even at the risk of some short-term reputational harm. I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem.


You are absolutely right, but Tesla is doing more harm than good towards making self driving commercially viable. Repeatedly making bold claims and then failing spectacularly to back them up is hurting everyone's perceptions big time. Cruise and Waymo are doing a far better job.


99% of the public have no idea about their claims or progress. Tesla doesn’t advertise and most people don’t follow the rare mentions in the news.


> I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem.

They shouldn't be harming lives to pursue this.


Fair enough.

But if you think this line of reasoning through, cars should have never been admitted on the road in the first place.

The issue I see is lack of transparency. If the % of accidents that can be avoided is provably much higher than those caused by Tesla's self-driving tech, an informed argument could be made in favor or against.

But with Tesla withholding the information in the leak there is just FUD around the whole issue instead of facts.


no, no they shouldn't have. At least not without tesla taking full accountability and liability for every accident on autopilot.

other manufacturers are slowly rolling out more self driving like tech, AND taking on liability.


Since GP hasn't responded yet...I think you missed their point. When they said "if you think this line of reasoning through, cars should have never been admitted on the road in the first place," I think they're referring to all cars. When Ford introduced the Model T, it killed plenty of people. Ford was, in your words, "harming lives to pursue this." In the process it revolutionized transportation.


> I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem.

People do realize it. Especially people who specialize in building safety critical systems.

And they are all aware that Tesla's doesn't do anything to build actually safety-critical systems. They just treat it as building a webapp for sharing photos of cats.


In a previous job, I was hard real time systems engineer for a major manufacturer of agricultural and construction equipment (stuff that weighed tens of thousands of pounds and can kill you in an instant). Can you elaborate in greater detail what we all think?


If the term safety critical system doesn’t ring a bell to you, well most likely you didn’t work on safety critical system (which is different from working on heavy machines).

It’s a whole engineering discipline. Just Google safety critical systems and safety engineering.

In terms of automotive, ISO 26262. Tesla’s chaotic release process and hot fixes are definitive proof that they don’t do safety life cycle and change management in compliance with it.




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