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Always found Colemak to be much more programmer-friendly than Dvorak.

E.g. try typing ls -la on Dvorak.



I'm a programmer, not a professional folder contents lister. Anyway, I'll typically use my 4th finger for l, because my hands are a slightly weird shape perhaps - and if I know I'm going to type ls -la, I'll put my 3rd finger on it.

Try typing CreateVertexBuffer or SetVertexDrawTestFlags on QWERTY. Or consider the humble underscore!


> Always found Colemak to be much more programmer-friendly than Dvorak.

> E.g. try typing ls -la on Dvorak.

The ls case is a legendary fallacy of not enough programmer friendlyness of Dvorak. I have just searched "ls dvorak" on HN and I ended up with dosens of messages about how non-comfort is this popular command to type.

Nobody has demonstrated any second example though.


You searched specifically for "ls dvorak" and your conclusion is that its programmer unfriendliness is a "legendary fallacy" because "nobody" demonstrated other examples?

A quick google for `dvorak programmer unfriendliness` would give you plenty of leads. Whether you agree or not is another matter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on QWERTY. It's just... the level of confirmation bias gets me every time. "I'm definitely right because nobody presented evidence to the contrary to me on a silver platter"


> You searched specifically for "ls dvorak" and your conclusion is that its programmer unfriendliness is a "legendary fallacy" because "nobody" demonstrated other examples?

I am seing this example not a first time. I'm also going to write my qwerty vs dvorak article on my blog so I am gathering all the examples of pros and cons of these two layouts.


The golden path is to start with Dvorak hardware mapped keyboard (TypeMatrix 2030 USB) and then later buy a programmable keyboard (ErgoDox EZ Shine) and make your own Dvorak-based layout with your own affordances for programming.

That’s what I did.

https://github.com/ctsrc/ergodox-ez-shine-dvorak

> try typing ls -la on Dvorak.

Put alias ll = “ls -la” in your zshrc if typing ls -la bothers you ;) but personally I just type it out


Why would I do that when I can type ls -lA?


How does it compare to Programmer Dvorak?


Sucks goat's dick, of course. For me the 7531902468 was the only working way to grok the fourth row, and all braces are in perfect positions for me, especially while lisping. That's in addition to general awesomeness of Dvorak.


  alias ha='ls -la'
  alias hh='ls -l'


Try typing just

    l
in a modern shell




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