When Chinese and Russian ISPs start taking abuse complaints seriously then they can be given the benefit of the doubt. But until that happens they're going to remain on most RBLs for a good reason.
So you've determined an entire population has a certain behavior because of past interactions with other entities from that continent-sized part of the world.
Do tell me more about this wonderful new method of spam filtering with absolutely no bigotry.
Judging someone by their current behaviour is not bigotry. As I said, they have the option of taking abuse complaints seriously, but they haven't for a really long time now.
there's no such thing as a "woke" spam filter... i mean, it'd hafta be inclusive or whatever to make sure none of the email feels marginalized or sad... so to be "PC" it's gotta let everything through... which means it isn't filtering spam...
This isn't about being "woke", whatever that means. It's just about not being a bigot and classify broad people in a certain way because of their geographic position and - by extension, ethnic and national origin.
Just imagine the racket if Gmail would start de-prioritizing email from Alaska or Hawaii because, in their experience, that's a large source of spam. If might even be true, so what? That's the exact thing racists say, racism works: we found the guy suspicious because no black people live around these parts, so we knew he was up to no good.
let me make sure I understand... filtering spam from geographical sources known to produce a disproportionate amount of spam, that someone never gets legit email from as they have no interaction with anyone there, means they're a bigoted racist... so instead we should just not filter spam, it's not fair to the spam for us to microaggressively generalize it into some group that gets marginalized, every email deserves equal treatment regardless of where it originated from (since that's all PC and woke, etc.), which ultimately makes sunshine and rainbows go everywhere and world peace and stuff?
you're making comparisons here that are so disjointed it's not even apples and oranges... it's more like apples and rocks...
this thread grew outta the spam filter setup of someone hosting their own email server. bringing gmail into this and talking about how they'd have a PR nightmare if they screw with hawaii doesn't work. yeah, they both send/receive email, that doesn't mean they're comparable in the way you're tryna say... i mean, apples and rocks are both round sometimes, but you wouldn't try comparing how they taste, right?
This thread grew out of someone claiming blocking entire countries is a good anti-spam technique because they just "know" those people have nothing to say to their users. This is bigotry pure and simple, no need to go any further, they hold strong opinions that can't be objectively verified about large parts of the human population based on national origin.
As someone who was on the receiving end of the "Romanian users have nothing to say to my users and postmastars there can't even RFC" blackholes, trying to get legitimate email delivered while respecting all the rules of the internet, I can only say that whomever thinks like that is an idiot and a bigot. Unfortunately, there are many such idiots on the internet at large, and the aggregate effect is that only large sites like Gmail can maintain good deliverability, which was the subject all along.
