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As someone who despises even stepping foot in a downtown area, I still recognize that cars just don't make sense at population densities that high. Big cities have much better ways of getting people around, and efficient car infrastructure is physically impossible in a place like that. People need to recognize they can't have all lifestyles in all settings. I like cars and quiet so I stick to rural living.


>As someone who despises even stepping foot in a downtown area, I still recognize that cars just don't make sense at population densities that high. Big cities have much better ways of getting people around, and efficient car infrastructure is physically impossible in a place like that. People need to recognize they can't have all lifestyles in all settings. I like cars and quiet so I stick to rural living.

I respect your choices and opinions, but on the point of quiet with regards to cities - cars are largely responsible for cities being noisy.

This is immediately evident in cities where mostly carless neighborhoods and high traffic streets can be found within walking distance of each other - the carless neighborhoods are almost entirely silent.

I suppose you might be referring to the noise generated by neighbors in multi-family buildings, which is absolutely fair, but can mostly be solved by appropriate insulation.

Again, I respect your choices and opinions, but it's important to note that these are problems that can be remedied, even though they in practice rarely if ever are, especially in the U.S.


The Presidio is not dense.


Most of San Francisco is not really dense either. Outside of a few well-known areas the entire place is a suburb.




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