Bring a project to a stand still with the term -10x? The term itself doesn't make sense.
I know the article is generally just talking about bad engineers. However the topic I started here is more about the term 10x.
>And I have seen this multiple times. People who in one way or another managed to slow down other people. Toxic people can create such an environment that the productive people quit. They don't bring smaller value, not even zero value, they bring negative value to the team/project.
Sure but negative progress or -10x progress or 10x progress is just not realistic. The 10 in the term 10x is the thing that is arbitrary. Not only is it arbitrary it's completely unrealistic.
>I don't know where you come with this arbitrary interpretation of exactly -1, but yes, that happens to projects.
Arbitrary definition of 1x? 1x is default -1x would be the default but backwards. It's anything but arbitrary as it's the smallest whole number metric for negative performance. The 10 on 10x is again the arbitrary constant here. Why 10? is it because we have 10 fingers or use base 10 in our number system? 10 is Arbitrary.
Also, Losing knowledge and intelligence is the equivalent of brain damage so are people banging their heads against walls and shooting up on brain damaging drugs? Doubt it. Productivity stops at zero, negative progress is so rare it's basically non-existent, that is unless you think people are regularly suffering from brain damage.
People who use the term 10x or -10x as some kind of relatively accurate metric (like many in this thread are doing) aren't applying good intuition or statistical knowledge to the situation. 2x for really good engineers and 0x for really bad engineers are the more technically accurate term. I get the usage of 10x as purely an expression but that is Not what the topic of this thread as evolved into.
> Not only is it arbitrary it's completely unrealistic.
Pick one. Can't be both.
> 1x is default -1x would be the default but backwards
Not backwards. In terms of value, 1x is a value produced by 1 typical developer. -1x is a decrease of value.
> Also, Losing knowledge and intelligence is the equivalent of brain damage so are people banging their heads against walls and shooting up on brain damaging drugs?
Organizations lose knowledge all the time because people quit because of e.g. toxicity in the workplace (brought by -10x employees).
I guess I'm done with this conversation, it no longer interests me.
Pick what? I didn't pick anything. I'm just laying out examples.
>Not backwards. In terms of value, 1x is a value produced by 1 typical developer. -1x is a decrease of value.
Yeah so my point is -1x is Not arbitrary. You said it is. I simply said it isn't.
>Organizations lose knowledge all the time because people quit because of e.g. toxicity in the workplace (brought by -10x employees).
That's one way of looking at it. It's valid. But by itself I was referring to an honest employee acting to the best of his capability. Like IQ this part cannot be negative. Things like side effects of a bad actor deliberately damaging the company is not something I was referring to. Overall though this type of thing is hard to measure and anecdotally rare.
I mean if you want to factor in terrorists who bomb the tech and kill everyone in the company into your model, sure. Terrorists have -10000x productivity.
>I guess I'm done with this conversation, it no longer interests me.
Sure. That's fine. The conversation is getting into the nitty gritty of interpretation of words which is pointless imo. I think you're pretty clear about what I'm talking about. All in all though my statistical interpretation is still ultimately correct.
Arbitrary or unrealistic. Utterly obvious from context; you said "arbitrary and unrealistic", they replied "pick one or the other".
Somewhere else you write about "if you only understood what I wrote". Honestly... This shows that the problem there wasn't with someone else's understanding of English, but yours.
I know the article is generally just talking about bad engineers. However the topic I started here is more about the term 10x.
>And I have seen this multiple times. People who in one way or another managed to slow down other people. Toxic people can create such an environment that the productive people quit. They don't bring smaller value, not even zero value, they bring negative value to the team/project.
Sure but negative progress or -10x progress or 10x progress is just not realistic. The 10 in the term 10x is the thing that is arbitrary. Not only is it arbitrary it's completely unrealistic.
>I don't know where you come with this arbitrary interpretation of exactly -1, but yes, that happens to projects.
Arbitrary definition of 1x? 1x is default -1x would be the default but backwards. It's anything but arbitrary as it's the smallest whole number metric for negative performance. The 10 on 10x is again the arbitrary constant here. Why 10? is it because we have 10 fingers or use base 10 in our number system? 10 is Arbitrary.
Also, Losing knowledge and intelligence is the equivalent of brain damage so are people banging their heads against walls and shooting up on brain damaging drugs? Doubt it. Productivity stops at zero, negative progress is so rare it's basically non-existent, that is unless you think people are regularly suffering from brain damage.
People who use the term 10x or -10x as some kind of relatively accurate metric (like many in this thread are doing) aren't applying good intuition or statistical knowledge to the situation. 2x for really good engineers and 0x for really bad engineers are the more technically accurate term. I get the usage of 10x as purely an expression but that is Not what the topic of this thread as evolved into.