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So, it is exactly like IE, in many ways? :D

It isn't like IE was completely lacking of innovation. To wit, div/span/XMLHttpRequest/BorderBox. Lots of things did come from there. I remember they used fieldset and legend in a much cleaner way, too.



The problem with IE was that they basically stopped after IE 6. The innovation was from before. After the release of IE 6, the IE team was basically disbanded, because MS thought they had won the browser wars (which at the time, they had). That was in 2001. IE 7 was only released in 2006, over five years later. And in 2008 Google released the first version of Chrome.


Well, that and it was Microsoft. They had an earned reputation for extend/extinguish. They have mostly shed it with VSCode, but I honestly can't see how. Seems to be in a very similar runbook to how they used to be?


A good part of the code is open, that changes the equation. It’s also why there will never be another IE6, all browser are open source these days.

Having said that, I’m using Vim. Mostly because I love it but I also can’t imagine using a closed source editor.


This feels naive. Their bad behavior back when was a strategy. Not a single source control choice.


They aren't led by exactly the same people as 20-30 years ago, so things do change a bit. Microsoft also isn't homogenous. They certainly haven't become Samaritans, however.


Isn't run by the same people, but I doubt they are that far from the tree, as it were.

And I don't mean that they are evil or some such. But rising in those ranks almost certainly embeds some behaviors.


> XMLHttpRequest

Yep, Microsoft invented Ajax, so in a sense it was IE that made the Web 2.0 possible


I was taking a quick check to see if I was correct on the div/span claim. I am actually not finding anything to corroborate that.

I also want to add that I have little love for IE. Same for some of the other things that Microsoft have done. I just find it odd the juxtaposition of why some of that behavior is fine today, as long as it is someone else doing it.


The defining characteristics of IE in the dark ages were that 1) it was ubiquitous 2) web sites developed to it and, instead of fixing sites in other browsers, they recommended its use over other browsers. You often couldn’t even log into your $WHATEVER from Mozilla on Linux, for example.

The modern analog to that is certainly not Safari.




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