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  You spent your whole comment focusing on their self driving claims while
  ignoring the rest of the company.
The rest of the company? You mean the senior management that lord elno raided in an attempt to prop up Twitter?

  The VW ID4 has numerous complaints about their software and reliability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/software-update-bric...

https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1033by2/warnin...

That's some impressive software.



Clearly you are not going to be convinced because you came into this conversation with a conclusion and backtracked from that just like the other poster. That is a common problem when discussing both Tesla and Apple. Both companies evoke a lot of emotion and "foaming at the mouth" type responses. Both companies have continued track records of producing stellar engineering.

But for anyone else reading this try to separate your emotion for "lord elno" and just let the engineering speak for itself.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kHsd3Ocxc

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-UilAalvE

[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXpfU6I_T3w


  just let the engineering speak for itself
Is that a reference to the roofs flying off? Or the bumpers falling off? Or the wiper controls that were ruled illegal in Germany? Or the premature motor failures? Maybe the steering wheels that keep falling off?

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21502379/tesla-modely-roo...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/tesla-steering-wheels-...

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/bumper-falls-off-in-...

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101153_two-thirds-of-e...

https://electrek.co/2020/08/04/tesla-wiper-controls-ruled-il...

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098389_tesla-model-s-d...

  But for anyone else reading this try to separate your emotion
If you'd like to separate your emotion, well, how about the fact that lord elno gutted senior management and is spending most of his time these days babysitting Twitter? Tesla is fast becoming a rudderless entity. They're not well positioned to respond quickly to anything.




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