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The save icon is a floppy disk, even though they became obsolete 20y ago (twitter.com/culturaltutor)
17 points by tosh on Feb 7, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments


> Have you ever noticed that the save icon is a floppy disk, even though they became obsolete twenty years ago?

That's called a "skeuomorph" - when something new takes on the appearance of what it replaced.

No, that's called iconography. The reason why icons are called icons. Skeumorph means something entirely different and only tangentially related.

In the spirit of that twitter thread, though, which I feel must be stolen from someone else because it looks new and I've definitely seen it before, it's fun and exciting to ask yourself the following question though: "If I had to pictorially represent the act of saving the contents of the current document, and upon pain of death I weren't allowed depicting the floppy, how the fuck else would I do it?"


> how the fuck else would I do it?

Well, the cheap answer is. . . A hard drive.

But maybe better would be a cube with a circular dial on it. Everyone would get File / safe.


I’d have done a filing cabinet with the document and an arrow depicting its path in to it. Tricky but not impossible at ‘tiny’ scale.

Same concept as the floppy drive though - showing a different thing that already existed.


Has anyone who's not a techie seen a hard drive?

The classic rectangular block does not even exist anymore in places such as phones, tables, and MacBooks.


This is not my traditional understanding of the word "skeuomorphic" but it does seem to be consistent with the dictionary definition.

Generally, skeuomorphism has been applied to designs which imitate physical objects and the way you interact with them on a screen. Audio plugins are famous for doing this - accurately representing the physical aspect of the hardware elements they emulate.

Using the word to cover "flat design" elements like seen in these logos is new to me, but I guess entirely consistent with the definition of the word.

Some examples of what skeuomorphic design usually refers to:

https://www.designer-daily.com/great-examples-of-skeuomorphi...


The "A" glyoh is a cow's head. The original drawing got obsolete a few millennia ago, but the drawing had acquired it's own meaning since.

Maybe in a few more millennia a square with a smaller rectangle will represent the "S" sound in some future language.


This thread gives a brief explanation of the origin of the word “skeuomorph,” which I hadn’t read before despite having read plenty about skeuomorphic design. Cool!

Tanya McCullough’s replies to this thread are also great. I think that identifying the different ways that skeuomorphism is used, as she does, could lead to much more thoughtful and helpful conversations about skeuomorphism.

https://twitter.com/TanyaJMcc/status/1622768996301799424


Funniest quote I heard about this once, when seeing a real floppy disk some Gen Z'er laughed "Hey, somebody 3d printed the File Save icon!"


There are plenty of words and expressions with by-gone etymology. Why would iconography be expected to be any different?




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