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If you like this, you may also be interested in reading Orwell's book review of C.S. Lewis, _That Hideous Strength_, which appeared well before the publication of _1984_. The review itself is titled "The Scientists Take Over" and may give some insight into the mindset of the day. A copy is here: http://www.lewisiana.nl/orwell/

The Lewis book itself is remarkably little-read (the traditional C. S. Lewis fan may not appreciate its atmosphere, I suppose) and will probably surprise most people who have preconceptions about the man's philosophy and what he was capable of writing. But I digress.



C.S. Lewis also wrote an interesting review of 1984 and Animal Farm, claiming "Both are very bitter, honest and honorable recantations" of Orwell's earlier revolutionary beliefs. Interestingly, Lewis greatly preferred Animal Farm.

A partial copy is here: http://books.google.com/books?id=V7YkpPwnFlUC&lpg=PA103&...

(That Hideous Strength is a hard book to appreciate, because it doesn't have a natural audience. It mixes dystopian transhumanist science fiction with religious parables, Arthurian legend and British academic politics.)


Interesting.

The nice thing about the Orwell review for me is that by explicitly talking about the atomic bomb and spelling it out for me in that context, it led me to an understanding of a lot of other cultural output (especially film) over the next few decades. Star Trek IV? Oh, that space probe that's out to destroy the world is a symbol for the atomic bomb. (I had some help from the boombox quip about how "we'll all be crispy critters after WORLD WAR III.") Blade Runner? Is about living with the expectation your life could end tomorrow. Aliens? Is about the destruction of civilization. And it's not just hardcore sci-fi. Why did the film adaptation of Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH into The Secret of NIMH rewrite the end plot with that stupid mystical jewel-locket-thing? Besides the fact that it's more cinematic, perhaps the director was pondering the promise and perils of science, especially atomic weapons and atomic energy. Flippin' Rock-a-doodle? I'm thinking 'nuclear winter'.

You just don't get that same flavor with things produced after the mid-eighties.


Why did the film adaptation of Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH into The Secret of NIMH rewrite the end plot with that stupid mystical jewel-locket-thing?

They pretty much rewrote the entire premise of the book. It was originally about lab rats who acquired human-level intelligence from experiments, and then had to rapidly build a civilization from scratch. Disnification turned it into some typical magical talking animal thing.


Disnification? Don Bluth wasn't at Disney at that point, so give credit where it's due. :)

Yeah, he rewrote the premise, and now it's about saving your family from imminent nuclear/tractor-related apocalypse with a lab-rat sideshow. Ironic, since this means Frisby is about the NIMH story while Secret of NIMH is about Mrs Frisby (/Brisby, per Frisbee Corp. lawsuit concerns).


Eh? The movie was about lab rats that became intelligent, wasn't it?


However, by the standard of the novels appearing nowadays this is a book worth reading.

It's good to think that in 1945, just as now, people felt that the golden age of literature was behind us.


Actually not that good, when you realize that they are/were right about that in both eras.

Not much has appeared since 1945 that really is comparable to the "golden age of literature" (that would be around 18xx-1940, I guess) --just a few exceptions to prove the rule, and tons of crap.

1984 itself, is a minor work, literary wise.


Your "golden age" also had an overwhelming volume of crap that no one cares about that got published then too. The idea that nothing good gets published now is older than you think. In the 1700s people would say the same thing citing no one has published anything great since the Greeks and Romans. Amazing art is always being produced in all genres, at all times. You may not ever find it but it is out there, somewhere. It is getting harder to find amazing art now because of the volume of humanity's creative output has been going up exponentially with industrialization (for various symptomatic reasons).

Try and find something new. Don't wait for someone else to tell you what you should read because they said it was great. Find your own great works.


In Orlando, there is a recurring character throughout the ages, a poet which is always complaining that nothing of value is created nowadays. In the seventeenth century nothing of value have been written since antiquity, in the eighteenth century nothing of value have been written since Shakespeare and so on.


In whose 'literary' eyes is 1984 a minor work? It's an important piece in the 20th C. literary canon.

And you've completely discounted the post-modern literature of post-WWII, including Nabokov (!), DeLillo, Franzen, Morrison. Them's fighting words.


"""In whose 'literary' eyes is 1984 a minor work? It's an important piece in the 20th C. literary canon."""

It mostly has political (in the broad sense) importance, not actual literary one. ("Brave New World" is even worse in this regard, but it also has the same kind of importance).

"""And you've completely discounted the post-modern literature of post-WWII, including Nabokov (!), DeLillo, Franzen, Morrison."""

I said there are "a few exceptions to prove the rule". Nabokov could be one, true, but surely not DeLillo, Franzen and Morrison, and not crap like Rothman, Pynchon et al.


Updike? Fowles? Asimov? McCarthy?

Obviously listing a bunch of names isn't going to prove the argument one way or the other, but I think it's a bit unfair to claim that all post-WWII literature is crap mod a few exceptions. Sci-Fi basically didn't exist before 1940.

I think it is more relevant to look at the 19th century vs. 20th century.


> Sci-Fi basically didn't exist before 1940.

Um, seriously? What genre would you place either of The War of the Worlds or 20,000 Leagues under the Sea, then? That the books manage to get a lot of things wrong doesn't really alter the fact that they were early, very popular examples of science fiction (and there were a lot more dating back to before WWII, when SF really took off.)


Not to mention a little known author going by the name of Rowlings. I've read a lot of books, but I've never seen such an indepth treatment of racism as you find in the Harry Potter books.


FYI, you can put quotes inside asterisks to italicize them, rather than python-style triple-quoting.

  *This is an example*
This is an example


And, to qualify my answer, I'm thinking Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, Hoffmann, James, Balzac, Poe, Stendhal, Dickens, Melville, Flaubert, Hugo, Conrad, Mann, Proust, Lawrence, Rilke, Kafka, Fitzgerald, Gide, Hemingway, Faulkner, Wolfe, Miller, Musil, etc...


I don't think you can really compare the last 50 years (anything more recent and it's really hard to judge how 'great' an author will be) with a 150 year period. Especially when you are including the Lost Generation which was, frankly, contemporary in 1945. Hemingway hadn't even published "The Old Man and the Sea" at that point.


That Hideous Strength is a fantastic bizarre ending to the space trilogy, completely different genre (satire?) from the others (sci fi?).




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