We really really need to shut this down as a national security issue. If they took it off Apple and Google Play stores it would reduce usage immediately by at least 80-90% along with having apple/android send out blocks like they can for malware (which it is). It's hard to believe Biden didn't continue Trump's attempt to shut it down.
Twitter, FB and Google have been banned in China, so banning US companies isn’t a new concept. Whether Europe join that is up to European countries. They haven’t shared your opinions so far. Maybe they value the relationship with the US? Especially after seeing Russia’s “special operation” in Ukraine
Not true, American companies like Google are still the de facto monopolies in Europe.
You might also check out how China is draining Russian economy - instead of focusing on making an appearance of doing so. But yeah, this is one aspect where I do agree. I’m really happy to see USA being the good guys again.
They are still operating illegally in the EU. Hard to say whether law enforcement will start to (seriously) wake up, whether denial will make the EU and the US come to an agreement, or whether the US will stop treating non-citizens like a police state (haha, fat chance).
A Chinese company operates in the US, obeys local laws while doing the same sketchy things that home-grown companies do all the time and it's a 'national security issue'.
US companies operating in the EU are expected to follow local laws and ... this is unfair because the US is pursuing its own narrow internal interests in Ukraine, like it always does, and Europeans are supposed to be grateful?
>There is precedence of American companies not allowed to operate in China.
Not true. They can operate, they just need to obey the law. Same way other companies need to obey American laws to operate in US, eg enforcing copyright or providing Lawful Interception mechanisms.
Trade is mutual. No way in hell it’s mutual right now wrt how social media and other businesses from America operate in China. It’s fair and square to boot TikTok.
I absolutely get your point, but the solution feels incredibly heavy handed, especially as 99.99999%+ of the users are unlikely to ever warrant tracking.
Surely a better solution would be briefing journalists not to install pretty much anything on their phones that they don't actually need.
Edit: for clarity, I guess I'm saying that if there's ever a point when a country/company tracking you is likely to warrant problems, perhaps you need to consider how it could happen and how you could avoid it.
Saudi Arabia killed an American journalist, dismembered him, and dissolved him in a vat of acid and yet we're still on our knees with their robe over our heads because yeah we need our economic relationship. The same will go with China.
> Saudi Arabia killed an American journalist, dismembered him, and dissolved him in a vat of acid and yet we're still on our knees with their robe over our heads because yeah we need our economic relationship.
Not that it should matter, but in the interest of accuracy he was a Saudi journalist who wrote for (among others) an American media company, not an American journalist.
Unless they broke out the bone saws for someone else besides Jamal Khashoggi.
> China, which didn’t invade anyone in half a decade, militaristic? Let me guess, you’re American?
Nobody's claiming America isn't militaristic. But it's not a dictatorship. And it's acting in its self interest. China blocks every foreign social media app. Whataboutism doesn't make rhetorical sense here.
I think you mean that you saw Trump's solution as more effective. It wasn't more nuanced.
Trump's solution involved a one off payoff for a supporter (Oracle), whereas the current admin is at least trying to develop a policy framework and solve the problem with less corruption and arbitrary use of power. The latter is much more work but - to bring it back to the issue - is more nuanced.
I can't think of a faster way to kill the app or any app than to sell it to Oracle.
Seriously give it to Oracle and 20 minutes. When you have to spend 3 minutes waiting for the next TikTok to load people will find alternatives real quick.
What about it? Does it specify that all Chinese mobile apps need to be distributed by the major mobile companies? I don't see how it's related. Please elaborate.
If you mean ‘what about freedom of speech’ - ie the moral value rather than the US law - tiktok’s not being banned for speech but for stealing user data.
