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80hr+ in-office work weeks with no equity and the threat of being instantly fired for appearing disloyal in Slack or correcting the CEO... sounds fun!


They don't have stock?

Also maybe don't say your employer is a "petulant man child" in Slack or otherwise undermine them and you'll be fine. The idea that an employer should keep people that actively dislike like him or her is insane.


If you are a leading developer on Twitter's Android app and the company's new CEO is making verifiably untrue, denigrating public statements about the architecture of the Android app that make you look incompetent, what do you do? Accept the damage to your professional reputation and roll over? Or "undermine" the CEO by explaining your app does not in fact make >1000 poorly batched RPC calls to render the timeline in front of the community of your peers?

That's the example I'm thinking of, and I would guess that even if that dev fully expected to be terminated for making that correction they viewed it as a price worth paying to spare their professional reputation.


I suspect you may be overestimating the weight that being denigrated by Musk carries in the industry. It could even be a badge of honor.


I don't think it's that Musk denigrated your work. It's that Musk claims Twitter has a horribly designed product on the specific thing you specialize in. People then spread this around that Twitter has a horribly designed thing that you specialized in building. Now there's not an off-chance that without anyone actually knowing the source, people in tech just "know" that Twitter has a horribly designed X. You, in charge of X, are now collectively understood on your resume as a horrible designer.

Think of it like this: I cannot name probably more than a handful of Google abandoned projects. But whenever Google announces a new project I'm happy to meme about how it will be inevitably abandoned. It's just something I "know" despite not hunting down some weird statistic of exactly what percentage of Google products to market survive after X years.

Reputation isn't a science. It isn't even that well correlated with truth.


> The idea that an employer should keep people that don't like him or her is insane.

It's not insane. Only keeping people that kiss your ass is how you get echo chambers and lose touch with reality.


Of course, but it's not binary. It's not a choice of people who hate you or love you unquestionably. There's a middle ground between those.

I don't buy into the notion that the chief engineer of SpaceX, which puts rockets in space, and CEO of Tesla, which efficiently produces electric cars, doesn't know how to stay in touch with reality. The evidence is in direct conflict.


He's the "Technoking of Tesla" and just tweeted about Ligma Johnson.


But being severely critical of Musk right now doesn't necessarily mean you hate him. He has deserved a fair amount of criticism.


I agree.


i mean, he owns SpaceX, he can put whatever title under his name as he wants to. Elon Musk has an excessive desire to make it look like he is a technical genius and a genius engineer/scientist, but he most likely is technically very competent but his true strengths lie in his long term vision, manic energy, great PR skills and work ethic. He is more akin to Edison than he is to Tesla.


Twitter's biggest risk at the moment, IMO, is that Musk's layoff process may have over-selected ass kissers to the detriment of focusing on aptitude.


> They don't have stock?

They're a private company now.


Doesn't mean there is no stock. The stock isn't publicly traded, which makes it harder to sell, but Twitter has a bunch of shareholders (Saudi Prince and Jack Dorsey are known ones) and could give out shares to employees.


Having illiquid shares in a company that has already gone through most of its growth is completely unappealing.

What is the value prop for a talented, high productivity employee to work at Twitter? The management hates its employees, seemingly hated the product, and doesn't even understand the business that he bought.

What's the upside for employees? There's a reason people were hanging up exactly at 5pm as Musk was giving his pitch to try to keep employees from bailing. He's offering a shit sandwich and he's not even good at selling it.


I didn't say it was attractive stock.

However if you believe in Musk's vision (is there one!?) and he's desperate he might throw stocks around and then a pivot unexpectedly might work out and a IPO might be lucrative ... but I wouldn't bet on it. All I said: stock exists and can be distributed.


>Having illiquid shares in a company that has already gone through most of its growth is completely unappealing.

There are lots of reason to own stock besides speculative growth. Taking part of profit as dividend is the most obvious reason.


> They don't have stock?

Twitter is a private company now. Not sure if you missed the news that this guy named Elon Musk bought the whole company.

> Also maybe don't say your employer is a "petulant man child" in Slack or otherwise undermine them and you'll be fine. The idea that an employer should keep people that actively dislike like him or her is insane.

I think the issue most people are taking with this is that the same standards aren't being applied. Elon is publicly deriding his employees, and then firing them when they respond in kind.


Private companies still have stock and it tends to be a big part of their compensation.


I think we all are aware here that we're talking about liquid equity that one can actually exchange for money.


Parent is thinking about joining Twitter now because they've always wanted to work for Musk. They aren't getting equity.

Also don't factually and politely correct your CEO in a reply on Twitter when he lies.


If you already have no respect for the new boss, calling him a petulant man child to his face and getting 3 months severance isnt the worst thing that could happen.


In many countries it would be illegal for the CEO of a large company to fire you for merely disliking them.


but he is a petulant man child, the day everyone becomes a fearful bootlicker is the day democracy dies.


If you want money, work life balance, comfortable pace it’s not the place.

If you want to change the world, are ready to push yourself, work with the most dedicated people, it is.

It’s a place for very few. I would really like to work in one of his company, but I don’t think I have the stamina for it.


Twitter already changed the world a decade ago, all someone would be doing at this point is maybe helping them not file for bankruptcy. But if someone really wants a job with zero security in this economy they should go for it!


Change the world? By working for Twitter and whatever whim Musk have next for Twitter's direction?

Stop drinking the kool-aid.


What part would be changing the world? Seems like at the most hes going to eventually do a lap and twitter will end up where it started, just saddled with 900 million dollar a year debt fees. At worst just a place where saying the N word is more acceptable.


"What part would be changing the world?"

- Break up the cartel that is mass media + tech giants + democrats

- The control on the narrative determine what people think, how they votes, where the world goes.

- Making this open and transparent will disrupt many entrenched interests.

Huge potential


You think Twitter controls the narrative?


It’s part of it.

What get promoted, what get shut down.

It’s clear for most people moderately conservative.

We can agree to disagree. For my part I think we will see massive changes for the better, time will tell either way.


I'm guessing you also refer to 'best Korea.'


You will not change the world by working at the new Twitter. You will only do two things:

1. Work long "hardcore" hours for no increase in pay merely to dig Musk out of the financial hole he put himself in.

2. Clone existing services. Musk's grand ideas for Twitter 2.0 are simply to clone WeChat/TikTok/YouTube/Instagram/OnlyFans.


> If you want to change the world, are ready to push yourself, work with the most dedicated people, it is.

Yikes.

Maybe for SpaceX.

For Tesla 5 years ago.

For Twitter 10 years ago.

But now "change the world" is only true for SpaceX.


"Change the world by adding PayPal to Twitter."

Nah.




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