I'm with on on everything but the food! I can get like 10 different kinds of apples at my grocery store, a dry aged ribeye, and there is an entire row dedicated to different types of sparkling water. If i want fresh noodles for fish soup I can go 10 minutes down the road to the Asian grocery and get Bok Choy, fishballs, and udon noodles. The only thing not near me is a reliable source of rainbow colored bagels that my daughter loves.

Would saying that in the US I struggle with bread, cheese and wine give too much away?

It’s fine: you can find anything you want.

But you have to suffer posh places and step markup.

I just want some decent unpasteurized cheese.

Joke aside, I was more thinking of culinary traditions.

Like cooking things from the season, from scratch and eat it with other human beings around a table.

US friends: that when I look at you like barbarian : when you shovel food in your mouth between you desk and break room.

Get a table, look at your food! Talk to another human about his food. Share food and diner time.

>Would saying that in the US I struggle with bread, cheese and wine give too much away?

No, it was pretty clear you were a smug Frenchmen from the start

I always put extra smugness on my fries :)

I guess then based on your narrow minded moral stance of what "civilized" means, Switzerland would be uncivilized. So would be Taiwan, Japan and Korea.

Your definition of "civilized" just means a socialist state.

We’re all learning what civilized mean. If anything.

We’re established that all life are equals and each humans deserves rights.

Not out of kindness but because it yields more cohesive and resilient societies.

All places are civilized in one way or another, more in some aspects depending on the locality .

In my books, Démocratie in Switzerland is more advance that anywhere else in Western Europe for instance.

But more robust social nets would help shield workers and their families from hick up in supply chain or markets. Preventing unwanted ripple effects.

If that make it socialist, so be it. That word has lost most of its meaning from me. Let’s talk policies and not political classification.