I think you're missing the point that, in AO3 specifically, tags are not solely metadata. Tags are also artistic expression in the context of AO3. That's the thing. AO3 doesn't function like the Library of Congress, and there are no librarians that are independently assigning categories to fanfic. An author can choose to opt out of tags entirely, and people cannot put tags on other people's fanfic even if it's relevant and would benefit that work's findability. The simple mechanism of the author having sole control of what tags they want to apply to the work causes the act of tagging to also serve the purpose of artistic expression-- this results in spontaneous tags going from single-use to culturally known, such as "no beta we die like men", and therefore I think arguably useful but only in the context of AO3.
> An author can choose to opt out of tags entirely, and people cannot put tags on other people's fanfic even if it's relevant and would benefit that work's findability
Curious about how this doesn't render the entire system near-useless? In my experience with other sites with user-generated content that allow tagging, this decision always makes the whole system way worse, because the OP alone is almost never going to be aware of all possible tags that are applicable to whatever it is they posted, and will instead just take the first 3-5 words that pop into their head and stick those in the tags field. The end result is a tagging system that barely works; you can search for a tag but you'll miss tons of stuff, and you can filter out a tag but you'll still see tons of stuff in that category. And if you ever find a hyper-specific tag you really enjoy it'll only have like 5 items in it even if there are hundreds or thousands it could be applicable to.
Don't get me wrong, the wiki-style approach of just letting anyone edit tags has its own issues, but it does at least result in tags on everything being at least mostly complete, and actually useful for finding what you want (or filtering out things you don't want).
> Curious about how this doesn't render the entire system near-useless? In my experience with other sites with user-generated content that allow tagging, this decision always makes the whole system way worse, because the OP alone is almost never going to be aware of all possible tags that are applicable to whatever it is they posted, and will instead just take the first 3-5 words that pop into their head and stick those in the tags field.
A few things makes this work brilliantly:
- authors are encouraged to tag as much as they want with whatever they want
- tags have an autocompletion to help authors select tags on keywords
- authors are prolific fanfic readers themselves and are therefore usually extremely familiar with the tag system
- manual tag linking means searching for one tag will also return results for all related or near-identical tags, a linking which has an extremely high success rate due to dedicated and extremely knowledgeable volunteers
This overall ends up being that authors use prolific tags, and reuse prolific tags from others, and ultimately search isn't strongly affected because the entire readerbase is hyper-knowledgeable. Check out the extremely specific fanfic-only "hanahaki disease" tag description in ao3 and you'll quickly see that any variety of related tags, with any level of hyerspecificity(some tags have neither "hanahaki" nor "disease"!), will appear searching for any of them, including hanahaki disease in other languages!: https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Hanahaki%20Disease
"no regenerating limbs those arms are toast sorry QA despises them" just isn't useful if I want to locate a particular text, other than "I'm liable to get a Tumblr-stink off of this crap."
And your defense of this is really ... internal, as in, this all looks like a lot of in-jokes to an outsider who is new to AO3, or even new to a particular fandom. If someone doesn't know the slang, the in-joke reference, it's still unhelpful.
> "no regenerating limbs those arms are toast sorry QA despises them" just isn't useful if I want to locate a particular text, other than "I'm liable to get a Tumblr-stink off of this crap."
Yeah, but you're not looking for that tag, and that tag wouldn't affect your search in any way. That's the thing. You're approaching tags like they can only only ever be used one way, and yes they can be that, and also other things that don't affect your personal use. So when you search for your specific tag, all synonymous tags will also appear, and all superfluous tags don't affect your search. A one-off tag doesn't affect your ability to search for multi-use tags.
EDIT: Additionally, the fact the tag exists has also helpfully indicated to you that this is a fic you probably don't want to read because of the author's cultural hinting through their use of tags. You're proving my point here-- the one-off tag doesn't affect your ability to search for your specific fandom or tropes, but also it allows you to pick flavors of fanfic you want from that search because of your dislike of one-off tags.
You have it backward: I found the fic through other means entirely and eventually dropped it. When I encountered it again on AO3 (it was a cross-post), I said "Oh, look at those horrible tags." It was notable in the fact that I said "I need to keep this one handy the next time I end up having yet another conversation with someone about how much tagging sucks on AO3." Because this isn't the first time someone has brought it up to me.
They just crap up the results if I am searching for "regeneration" or "limbs." If something is used more than one way, yes, it does affect my personal use because it means "more stuff I have to filter through." When you search, what you do not want is extraneous results. That's the whole point of searching! And I guess my library experience is showing, but AO3 just reeks of amateur hour shenanigans. I predict that at some point there will be a movement to clean up that kind of junk.
Wait so, this tag you didn't like didn't even stop you from finding the fic? It didn't clog up your search at all because it wasn't even in your search when you found the fic you were looking for? What's the problem exactly? You're approaching this with a library lens but it's not a library! It was never even intended to be a library!
Additionally, it doesn't show up when you're searching for regeneration or limbs because it's a one-off tag and therefore isn't linked to the rest of the tag network. I suppose it would be a problem if you put it in the general search, but you'd also be catching anything with limb in the title, or limb in the author's name, too. I think this is coming from a place of multiple misunderstandings of how tags work from both a technical and a cultural standpoint.
And that's a problem, isn't it? I shouldn't have to be immersed in a culture to use the system. You've traded usability and user experience for ... a cultural in-joke. "Hi, this is AO3, and our tags aren't anything like anyone else's tags, but we're still gonna call them tags" is a problem. It's like if I made a search bar and it returned random results. It says search, but culturally, we give you random results. That's how we do it.
But it's not a problem because it doesn't affect your ability to search. One-off tags do not enter the tag search results. I'm super confused why this isn't obvious and intuitive to you..
