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Those rates are per 100,000.

That page also notes this shocker but it also quotes itself as a source at one point, so is it a decent source (?):

"The United States leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide ... This number is equivalent to roughly 25% of the world's total prison population and leads to an incarceration rate of 629 people per 100,000"



> so is it a decent source (?):

It's just stating that the source said 2M, which combined with the total population yields 629. Nothing wrong with drawing a simple conclusion from two sources. The sources for the prisoner numbers are clearly labeled at the bottom of the page:

https://www.prisonstudies.org/research-publications?shs_term...

https://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-popul...

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/global/appendix_countries_2021....


Good catch! According to the word prison brief the ranking actually looks like this (incarcerated per 100 000):

El Salvador 605 Rwanda 580 Turkmenistan 576 American Samoa (USA) 538 Cuba 510 United States of America 505

I'd still consider this horrible, but making a point is no reason to use dodgy sources.

From: https://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_popul...


Might be a difference in how people in jail (vs prison) get counted?

Not sure if other systems have a similar distinction?

For non US people: Jail is run by the local (usually county) government and is for minor(ish) crimes like writing bad checks, failing to appear in court, DUIs, reckless driving, things like that.


More importantly jail is where people are held before they are sentenced/found guilty. They are also yes used for shorter sentences. But you can still be jailed for years before you ever see the inside of a courtroom.


Thanks, didn't know (German), something new to learn each day. Would have used jail and prison interchangeably.


Wikipedia has slightly different numbers[0], with El Salvador instead of Rwanda at #2, but the fact remains that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Though it seems to have gone down slightly; I recall that a few years ago it was over 700/100,000.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...


The crazy thing is that mass incarceration is relatively new in the US. Are Prisons Obsolete by Angela Davis was a real eye-opener for me.


Not even Angela Davis was totally opposed to prisons. She just thought they were for counterrevolutionaries rather than ordinary criminals.


> The crazy thing is that mass incarceration is relatively new in the US.

Indeed. Before the massive explosion in violence and disorder the US pioneered in the 60s the First World was substantially more peaceful. Less need for incarceration with much lower rates of crime.


The higher incarceration rates were caused by the "war on drugs" during the 80s.


US murder rates doubled between 1960 and 1970.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-murder-rate-is-...

It took until 1980 for incarceration rates to start their upward climb. Ten years is a remarkably long time for a doubling of murder rates to take to show up in imprisonment.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-imprisoners-dilemma...


> It took until 1980 for incarceration rates to start their upward climb. Ten years is a remarkably long time for a doubling of murder rates to take to show up in imprisonment.

This is extremely dubious. The vast majority of people in prison are not there for murder. From a search, 15% of people in prison have a murder on their record. It's not TV.


Here they quote U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics from 2020 with around 1.7M of prisoners. That's about 15% lower than that number, but still quite high.

https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america


It's also worth noting that the rate per 100k people can artificially inflate the numbers for some of those on that list – e.g. the British Virgin Islands has a population of ~30k people and Saint Kitts ~47k, so both some degree of rounding and a large degree of Poissonian-like fluctuation are probably to be expected...




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