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Tell HN: Shopping for land: Last piece I viewed is up 5550% over 13 years
1 point by anm89 on Sept 20, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 3 comments
Just a fun anecdote that shows that CPI doesn't tell the whole picture with inflation.

I'm looking at rural land around Spokane WA/ Coeur D Alene ID. Everything is really expensive out there but one thing that is interesting to me is that the land was basically worthless 13 years ago and has essentially doubled in value every two years since.

One 120 acre property I looked at about 45 mins outside the city sold for $22,500 in 2009.

It then sold for $200,000 in 2015

It's now on the market for $1,250,000

Curious to hear where people think this heads from here and if this is the new norm or if this is going to come crashing down.



I noticed prices rising at a pretty brisk rate for the past 10 yrs but more of a steady climb, not a huge spike which did seem to occur early this year. The properties that I have researched are along the California coast, although not oceanside properties, typically these are raw land properties are inland a few miles of the Coastal zone located from Fort Bragg down to Jenner, Ca. Typical uses would be light farming, tree harvesting, vacation spot, Cannibus. Something odd happened right around the time interest rates began climbing – prices for raw land mysteriously doubled. 10 to 20-acre parcels doubled from prices of $200k - $300k to 500k or slightly over. So far there are NO COMPARABLE SALES LISTINGS to support the price increases. Needless to say, sales have all but ceased. One realtor told me that it was Zillow and realtor that came up with the “new asking prices” and that everyone just “went along with it”, but on Zillow as one example, I see “we don’t have enough information to calculate a Zestimate”.

For the following reasons I see these new high asking prices to be conflicting.

1.] Rates have practically doubled the payment costs of land purchase in this area due to interest rates increases (assuming someone is taking out a loan for the purchase) That coupled with the new asking prices - that’s a staggering change.

2.] Property value is impacted by softening of the Cannabis market. The counties have done a good job going after unlicensed growers using tax liens, permit violations etc. Not the mention large corporate scale farming of Cannabis happening in the central value.

3.] The softening of the lumber industry where demand is decreasing due to falling builder demand

4.] In the case of a small farm or even say a remote vacation spot, at the new price point it becomes way cheaper “not to own” and just visit

5.] Inventory. Contrary to what the MSM has been saying there is no inventory shortage with raw land. If you look at the parcel maps of the areas in question there are A LOT of parcels - thousands of parcels, that soon or later will be positioned for Sale. Many of these properties were partitioned into APN’s before the ordinance in the coastal areas mandated that a lot be 150 acres or more.

The best perspective on land values in this market would be to use the Sold Comparable listings to derive a market value. At the moment, it does seem to be a fake market fed by the fake the news media which is driving the irrational pricing.


suburbs gonna suburb


Imperfect since it's focused on ag land, but the LAND ETF is one possible real-time proxy for land values, which shows them having hit a bubble peak earlier this year and then crashed back down to earth. That latest move may not yet have made its way into listings like the one you're looking at but I would think it might. Longer term, feels like everything is a crapshoot guess at whether the Fed undershoots (and inflation takes back off) or overshoots (and crashes asset prices).




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