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I know.

What I'm saying is that what people see as manipulation of voters (nobody could ever believe that!) is actually just another valid opinion that you so happen to disagree with.

Nobody was deceived. Nobody was manipulated. The voters just don't agree with you on this issue.



This is silly: all kinds of promises were made for Brexit, and if they weren't delivered then those expecting them are at least disappointed, and if there was no reasonable way they could have been delivered and no real effort to deliver them, then they absolutely were deceived.

How did the "£350m for the NHS" bus work out?

> actually just another valid opinion

Some opinions - sky is green, earth is flat - aren't valid.


> Some opinions - sky is green, earth is flat - aren't valid.

You just proved my point. You can’t possibly wrap your head around why someone would vote to leave the EU so clearly someone manipulated them.

This is the kind of thing people said when women wanted to the right to vote - "Oh those silly women, manipulated to think that's what they want."

It's dangerous thinking. I prefer to have faith that people are generally educated about issues and make the decision they feel is right.


Why leave it to faith? There have been studies about how knowledgeable the public is about the EU. For example: https://ora.ox.ac.uk/catalog/uuid:91ddd9dc-f388-43b4-922d-b8...

> [The results] indicate that Britons’ beliefs about some aspects of the EU may be systematically wrong.


People who argued about the nature of democratic accountability of the EU, even though I disagreed what them, are not a group I would argue were deceived.

People who believed the UK gave the EU £350 million per week, which is the example the other poster gave, were unambiguously deceived.


If any vote results in voters regretting their vote, I think that counts as voters being deceived.

I don't know (or care, given I left the UK as a direct result of the vote) if there was any significant regret in this case.

(I caveat "significant" because 5-10% of the population will agree with almost any proposition in any opinion poll, no matter how nonsensical the question).




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