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"Since the home neighborhood environment is often toxic, a complete environmental change seems to do the trick."

...As measured by standardized testing, on a good day, and when you analyze the data the right way. And who knows what sorts of longterm problems KIPP could be causing in these kids and within their communities.

The fact that the 'best' idea in educational reform is basically just taking kids away from their parents for virtually all of their waking hours shows that America is on its last legs. We no longer have the cognitive infrastructure necessary to transmit learning from parents to children, so I think KIPP is really just a hail mary attempt to try to buy some time before the whole system collapses.




The fact that the 'best' idea in educational reform is basically just taking kids away from their parents for virtually all of their waking hours shows that America is on its last legs. We no longer have the cognitive infrastructure necessary to transmit learning from parents to children...

This is an exaggeration. At most, programs like KIPP show that our lowest performing households no longer have the cognitive infrastructure necessary to transmit learning from parents to children.


Thank you for this reply. I am very interested in seeing data against the KIPP model - what sources would you recommend?

EDIT: just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Is_Power_Program#Crit..., which is certainly interesting.


"I am very interested in seeing data against the KIPP model - what sources would you recommend?"

There's very little data, which is the main problem. In terms of books about KIPP, the one I've read is Whatever It Takes, which is about Geoffrey Canada, who founded the Harlem Children's Zone. I'm not sure if this school is technically affiliated with KIPP proper, but it used the KIPP model.

It's very difficult to explain the problems with KIPP. Basically you need to take a really good look at how the kids are actually spending their days, and then compare it with what we know about child development, educational research, best practices in various fields, research data on student achievement, etc. I don't think there is any way to understand it without having a solid background in education theory, education research, cognitive development, psychology, early childhood education, history, and even things like organization behavior and management theory, etc. The problem of what makes a good school and a good classroom is insanely complicated, which is why we've been using basically the same model since WWI.


Is there any non-theoretical reason to believe KIPP doesn't work? I.e., do KIPP students underperform in some way?

Forget the theory. The theory might tell me why some measurable effect occurs and generate a complicated model of how it occurs. But without delving into theory, you can certainly tell me what the measurable effect will be. E.g., "KIPP students will have 10% lower math scores in year 2-4 of college," or something like that.


"Is there any non-theoretical reason to believe KIPP doesn't work? I.e., do KIPP students underperform in some way?"

There isn't enough data to say.

"But without delving into theory, you can certainly tell me what the measurable effect will be."

Cognitively, I'd be most concerned about whether the program would be harming their executive function and their intrinsic motivation. I don't see any value of trying to predict specific metrics though, beyond identifying specific metrics to look at once more data exists.


I'd also worry that such a program might reduce the ability of kids to function independently and instead reinforce the ideas that large government institutions should displace the family as a means of childrearing.




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