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It's certainly interesting how an oppressed people became the oppressor.


It happened time and time again in history. See Christianity in the Roman Empire, for example, or at least half a dozen revolutions. Or the Balkans.

Oppressed people are not better because they are oppressed. They are still human and perfectly able to persecute others depending on the context.


Indeed. It's just sad that's the way it is. As much as we humans like history, we never seem to learn its lessons.


To the contrary, humans have never been nicer to each other or lived more pleasant lives at any point before the present.


And that's precisely because we stopped pulling this sort of crap in more and more places. 300 years ago, the number of religions and ethnicities currently existing in US or Western Europe would have meant a constant state of civil war.


>300 years ago, the number of religions and ethnicities currently existing in US or Western Europe would have meant a constant state of civil war.

300 years ago the Ottoman Empire was in full swing and quite religiously and ethnically diverse (probably more so than modern Europe or America). Not to say everyone had equal rights or was nice to each other, but historically a cornerstone for the success of many (not all) empires has been a significant degree of diversity and tolerance of both religions and ethnicity. It also wasn't new, Rome was also quite diverse and tolerant. (not always, not to everyone, but still quite so)


That's not true. Look at India - it has many times more ethnicities, and many Indian kingdoms used to have good relations even between Hindus and Muslims before modern times. Also, empires like the Ottoman empire had Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Persians, Jews and many other nationalities; and Muslims, Christians, Zoroastrians and other religions living in relative harmony - certainly not in a constant state of civil war.

Ancient empires were even more diverse, with civil wars often arising more along economic lines than ethnic or religious ones.


And before monotheism took over... well polytheistic societies don't really have "a religion" that is separate from other polytheistic religions. There are lots of gods and people focus on different ones. The next town over seems to have similar gods, but some of the stories are a little different and one or two has a different name... or is that a different god altogether. That town really far away talks funny, every god has a different name and some of them have wildly different stories, but a lot of it is still recognizable...

In other words, religious tolerance with polytheistic societies looks a lot different than the "my god/prophet vs. yours" which is much more prominent with monotheistic religions.


It funny that he head of the Palestinian party in the Israel coalition disagrees with you...

In my opinion what is interesting is that the oppressed people have preserved democracy in the face of constant war and even provided full right to the partly that 5 times attacked them, current coalition consists of Arab parties.



Isn't this the dream of every revolution? Sure, to gain power, but also you give it back to who they hate. Also, all the people using the phrase "reverse racism" are wondering the same.

It looks to me like the powerful oppress the powerless, but power fluctuates among groups/nations.


I mean, this specifically has nothing to do with the Israeli situation. Israel isn't trying to "give it back" to anyone, and even if it was, the Arabs/Palestinians or whomever, are not the group that Israelis hate. (If there is such a group that would've made sense after hte war, it would've been the Germans)


An oppressed people - the Jews, have become oppressors? This comment doesn't even attempt to draw the distinction between the government of Israel and the Jewish people. How would it feel if we said “The formerly oppressed Hispanic people have become the oppressors”, because one country in Central or South America has an oppressive government at some point?

There isn’t even recognition that the Israeli legislature might not be representative of most Jewish Israelis and instead be a consequence of political incumbents that are hard to unseat from power, like political dynasties in many countries.

Nor does it accept that even if this is the majority will of Jewish Israelis, there are plenty of Jews in Israel who disagree with the law (which is obviously true), and shouldn’t be lumped in as “oppressors”. The same way Trump and his followers actions shouldn’t impugn the moral character of all Americans.

No, this is a wholesale indiscriminate attack on Jewish people, global or Israeli. Purposefully vague and universal in it’s attack of an entire ethnic minority group There is no chance this comment isn’t xenophobic to it’s core.


Replace the word "Israeli" with "Russian" and its the reality of western consensus.

To change the regime, do it by suffering the people?


Israel's government and it's supporters in the US and elsewhere ceaselessly push this equivalence between Judaism and Israel, with the clear intent to equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism.


What are you on about? Do you just randomly smash the keyboard?


he's mad (rightly so) because jews are being conflated with israel. but he should be mad against israel and influent jews around the world for pushing this skewed view of jewishness


Today most Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern origin from countries like Syria, Morocco and Iraq.

They are not European Holocaust survivors or their direct descendants.


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Believing Israel is an oppressive country is not antisemitism.


I think (hope) that the comment above was remarking that Israel itself is deeply antisemitic (Arabs are a semitic people).


Oxford dictionary specifies, for those trying to redefine the term:

anti-Semitic /ˌantɪsɪˈmɪtɪk/ (adj): Hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.


You're right, I admit I had a long-standing misunderstanding about this - I had always assumed the word was referring to semitic people in general, but have decided to look this up (unfortunately after posting the above) and realized that's not the case...


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You are allowed to say that a situation isn't black and white and still take a stance.

Magneto is a super relatable and his actions in the context of the mutant human conflict make total sense given his motivations -- he's also still a villain.


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> How do you think the French would react to the import of Arabs

An Arab from Morocco would "import" to France - Morocco is an independent country. Israel does not recognize Palestine as an independent country but as territory belonging to Israel, and the IDF patrol the West Bank and haredi settlers create settlements there, in violation of UN resolutions.


That comment ignores a lot of nuance. It's not like all white people are Americans even if lots of white people live in the US.




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