Ukraine would not exist today and/or if it would exist would not have anything to fight back if it wasn't given to them by the rest of the world. AKA there would be no war. Would that mean they "lost" yes obviously, that is the reality. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. This is not propaganda I dont pick sides. If you think a pointless war is better, well fine you are doing the propaganda for the warmongers out there then.

Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a free democrat country all people participating in this war are either brainwashed or forced to fight and die for people (dictators) who do not represent western values and have no respect for human lives.

Ukraine is not a dictatorship, their most recent election was widely recognized as fair by international observers.

By western standards they are both pretty similar and far from what we would call a democracy. They (both) support terrorist put journalist in jail or let them disappear. If you wanna pick a side fine I dont care but no matter which side you pick its not the moral high ground you probably think it is.

You expect perfection on day one of a democracy? High standards for someone that doesn't believe in fighting for a cause.

No I dont. And you are deflecting and make up things I didn't say.

Also if you want to fight for a cause go there do it I'd respect that. What I dont respect is people giving money for something thy absolutely would not fight for.

> No I dont. And you are deflecting and make up things I didn't say.

I'm not deflecting at all. You are posting lie after lie.

> Also if you want to fight for a cause go there do it I'd respect that. What I dont respect is people giving money for something thy absolutely would not fight for.

You don't respect people that fight for their lands but you respect uninvolved parties joining in? Why don't you go there yourself and convince them you are right instead of posting on HN?

Wont further reply you obviously intentional twist everything I said to the opposite. Have a nice day.

Good.

And from their perspective you are brainwashed and a liar. Or as one woman put it:

https://youtu.be/7-1uPRur6kw?t=29

I just watches a bit and dont see what point from me this even targets.

I never said anything about who has the right to own which land or anything the like. The woman is correct but how do you help her by donating for war? You dont. The more money people put into this war the more endangered this woman is.

As I said above this is not about picking sides its about stopping to financially support wars. The vast majority of the people in Russian and Ukraine are against this war.

By default you support the aggressor. You want Ukraine to surrender. This woman has an opinion on your opinions.

> The vast majority of the people in Russian and Ukraine are against this war.

You are being dishonest as you well know. Ukrainians are against the war Russia has started but they support the war effort as it defends their lands.

I am AGAINST this war. Quote that "support the aggressor" part if you can find that anywhere. You can't because I never did support either side.

You want Ukraine to surrender. You support Russia.

Where did I say that? I didn't. Anything else?