I don't blame the language for what the community does though. I mean, I've suffered through VBScript. I know how bad a utility/glue language can really be. Netscape did have it running on the server way back in the 90s too. Should we create services with it? I dunno. For some things, I really don't care. Should we be tossing it CPU intensive, multiple db query traffic? No. No it doesn't do well at all in those scenarios. I've done enough PHP (really bad PHP) to realize that any time we lower the bar of entry, we're going to get a lot of folks with no programming background. That's actually pretty cool! What's not cool is getting folks who have no background, and refuse to listen to anyone who does.